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Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM
Not much to comment on. "Dune Messiah" is my least favorite of the novels, and it acts as a stop-gap before Leto II and Ghanima accomplish what Paul did not want to do - force an evolution of humanity.

This novel is more about Paul's limitations and his lack of ease with his role. We see Alia pushing her limits constantly and increasing her muscular control and prophetic abilities to a level that Paul has not.

This novel is more like "Oedipus Rex" in that it is largely a tragedy that ends when the next generation of Atreides takes over the rulership from the prior generation.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 2067 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1167 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1369 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1293 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1341 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1185 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1291 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1347 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1148 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1206 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1068 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 1022 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 1006 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1155 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 492 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1083 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 1057 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1115 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1057 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1065 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 998 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1120 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 1032 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1137 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1169 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1041 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 1030 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 943 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1088 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1180 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1052 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 1048 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1554 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 518 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1236 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1177 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1268 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1442 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1194 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1369 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1257 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 1075 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1650 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1453 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1410 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1314 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1076 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 465 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 471 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1427 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 1060 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 991 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 985 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 1097 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 987 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 907 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 1020 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 940 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1131 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1113 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1086 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 988 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1365 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 978 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 927 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1229 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 956 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 1038 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 972 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1341 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1145 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1187 Views
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