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Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM
Not much to comment on. "Dune Messiah" is my least favorite of the novels, and it acts as a stop-gap before Leto II and Ghanima accomplish what Paul did not want to do - force an evolution of humanity.

This novel is more about Paul's limitations and his lack of ease with his role. We see Alia pushing her limits constantly and increasing her muscular control and prophetic abilities to a level that Paul has not.

This novel is more like "Oedipus Rex" in that it is largely a tragedy that ends when the next generation of Atreides takes over the rulership from the prior generation.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1966 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1083 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1270 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1200 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1243 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1087 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1199 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1253 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1056 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1089 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 963 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 933 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 916 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1059 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 446 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 991 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 970 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1012 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 959 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 990 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 912 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1019 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 949 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1026 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1079 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 949 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 944 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 838 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 992 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1072 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 965 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 967 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1445 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 472 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1144 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1099 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1165 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1347 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1111 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1292 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1180 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 987 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1548 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1347 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1302 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1227 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 987 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 417 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 421 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1210 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 937 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 888 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 882 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 983 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 888 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 809 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 930 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 815 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1045 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1008 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 983 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 891 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1237 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 880 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 838 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1115 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 851 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 928 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 884 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1229 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1035 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1078 Views
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