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Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM
The "ecology of a fictional novel" is science?

If he did not intend Envirnmentalism as he spoke of ecology, then, as was mentioned in another sub-thread, he should not have brought up Earth Day. If he meant ecology as referring the fact that there is a universe that surrounds the characters and impacts them, then he was stating that the book has something that every other book also has. Thus, making a distinction that is not one. It would be like saying that the book has words in it, and praising it for having them.

As for my "patronizing" tone that you perceive, it wa not intended as such and I edited to try to minimize such. However, I had to make my point, and I did. Words mean different thigns in different context, to different people, and in differnt years.

As such, using words like ecology, ecological, and environmental imply environmentalism and other "green" concepts in todays conversational use. It does not imply that he was one of, if not the first author to "Tolkienize" in the Sci-Fi genre. Regardless, the planet Dune and its deserts is not a theme of the novel, and no amunt of detailed descriptive quotes from the novel about the majestic sands, or the Freemen creation and use of still-suits can make it one.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 2124 Views
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1350 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1401 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1206 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1272 Views
That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1130 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 1080 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 1062 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1217 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1169 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 1107 Views
Good points - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1178 Views
Re: Good points - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1117 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1137 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1231 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1102 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 1084 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 1000 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1137 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1236 Views
Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1109 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 1111 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1618 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 548 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1298 Views
Ecology goes more than one way - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1238 Views
There are several points to the book/series - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1327 Views
Everyone get something different from a book - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1505 Views
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I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1533 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1522 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1381 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1134 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 492 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 498 Views
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One of my favorite series! - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 1036 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 977 Views
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His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 1019 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1202 Views
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See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1159 Views
Depends - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 1045 Views
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read something else - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 1032 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 986 Views
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I read the wiki synopses of those two books - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 1047 Views
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