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Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM
The "ecology of a fictional novel" is science?

If he did not intend Envirnmentalism as he spoke of ecology, then, as was mentioned in another sub-thread, he should not have brought up Earth Day. If he meant ecology as referring the fact that there is a universe that surrounds the characters and impacts them, then he was stating that the book has something that every other book also has. Thus, making a distinction that is not one. It would be like saying that the book has words in it, and praising it for having them.

As for my "patronizing" tone that you perceive, it wa not intended as such and I edited to try to minimize such. However, I had to make my point, and I did. Words mean different thigns in different context, to different people, and in differnt years.

As such, using words like ecology, ecological, and environmental imply environmentalism and other "green" concepts in todays conversational use. It does not imply that he was one of, if not the first author to "Tolkienize" in the Sci-Fi genre. Regardless, the planet Dune and its deserts is not a theme of the novel, and no amunt of detailed descriptive quotes from the novel about the majestic sands, or the Freemen creation and use of still-suits can make it one.
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1175 Views
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Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1034 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1064 Views
That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 931 Views
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Re: That was most of my issue. - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 896 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1029 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 959 Views
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Good points - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 980 Views
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when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 955 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1055 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 916 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 921 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 810 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 962 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1037 Views
Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 932 Views
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People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1418 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 461 Views
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Ecology goes more than one way - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1071 Views
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I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 404 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 409 Views
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His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 784 Views
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read something else - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 852 Views
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