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Re: Panorphaeon Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM
Around these parts, we like to discuss the differences between what constitutes Literature and what is categorized as genre fiction. We discuss this division as if there is no real overlap between the two... the different categories define books that simply seek to do different things.

My question is how do you categorize this novel? It is obviously science fiction, but is the story more? Are the themes and elements of this novel ultimately knowable, related to human experience, your experience of life? What elements/scenes really stand out to you?


This book frames its speculations well within the bounds of science fiction, obviously, but I found my own speculations about the book to extend beyond the basic notion of what ways we might come into contact with other intelligence. I find the concept of other expressions or modes of intelligence to be an interesting topic which was underlined by the themes of this book. It also directly deals with the ways in which people in extreme, isolated conditions are able to interact and deal with encroaching madness. That's a good subject, too; actually, I found it to be more of a psychological novel than a sci-fi one, though I do agree with Rebekah above in that my only complaint is that the science parts got rather thick and perhaps over-considered.

My favorite aspect of the book is a part where (and I finished it last month so I'm badly paraphrasing) one of the characters described the phenomena they were experiencing on board the station in terms of the colloid ocean merely going through gestures as well as it could, in attempt to approach or interact with the visiting aliens (humans). The example was made, that if humans had learned to mimic the various phenomena presented by the ocean, they wouldn't know why they were doing it or what effect it would have. This fairly well summed up all the ambiguity inherent in two varied and advanced intelligences attempting to communicate with each other, the way I saw it. In some ways I guess you could see this difficulty of communication repeated in the microcosm of the station as well, in the paranoid behavior of the main characters.

I don't know, just my impressions. I thought it was a really fascinating read, even in its overall ambiguity.
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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 2270 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 850 Views
I read it back in January. - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1546 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 805 Views
I just finished it. - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1532 Views
Well, to be fair, - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1476 Views
Heh. - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1658 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1432 Views
That was how I felt too. - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 1243 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1846 Views
I read it, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1527 Views
I plan to - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1649 Views
I might re-read it in a few days - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1466 Views
I'm currently reading it - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1714 Views
That has always bothered me too. - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 1352 Views
Indeed - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1389 Views
It was a while since I've read it - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 1370 Views
I have started reading it - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 1319 Views
Translation: - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1594 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1597 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1511 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1474 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 797 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 786 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1452 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1564 Views
That was the one I read. - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1717 Views
I read it in Czech - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1710 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1934 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1611 Views
I have a different opinion on this. - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1465 Views
I've read it in Polish - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 1288 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1421 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1439 Views
Rights issues, I beieve - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1484 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 1323 Views
I read the English from French translation - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 1285 Views
This was my general experience as well. - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 1331 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 1296 Views
Re: I do that too! - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 1340 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 1304 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1511 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1482 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 1328 Views
Re: - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1456 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 1344 Views
Fair enough. - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1429 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1424 Views
Good point Tom. - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 1312 Views
It's definitely literature - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 1267 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 1256 Views
As long as you realize... - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 1276 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 1389 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1377 Views
Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 1235 Views
Re: Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1352 Views
This book is definitely literature. - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1413 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 736 Views
Understandable. - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 1279 Views
Hmmm - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1412 Views
What didn't you enjoy? - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 1270 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 1233 Views
This was what I disliked too - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1453 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 1321 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1535 Views
That is an interesting take. - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1356 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 1393 Views
The only thing that bothered me... - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1488 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1441 Views
Apparently not. - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1483 Views
True - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 1306 Views
Point of fact, - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1359 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1727 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1538 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1689 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1523 Views
Thank you. - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1470 Views
One point... - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 1342 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1432 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1359 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 1327 Views
Ah. OK. - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1444 Views
Thanks - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 1341 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 1320 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1648 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 1302 Views
A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1329 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1434 Views
Re: A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1461 Views
Thanks. - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1458 Views
Yes - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1402 Views
My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM 1726 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1609 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1493 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 1290 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1473 Views
Re: So I have no team spirit and should be lynched. - 23/04/2010 09:41:48 PM 1331 Views
I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. - 25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM 1292 Views
Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 1294 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 634 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 1376 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 1300 Views
Yes - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1462 Views
That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1365 Views
Re: That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1397 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 1318 Views
It is interesting you should say that. - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1597 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1464 Views
Derrida is great. - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1504 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 1337 Views
I can't decide. - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1447 Views
An interesting point to consider... - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1468 Views
Re: I can't decide. - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 1249 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1453 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1432 Views
Does it make a difference? - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 1281 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1456 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1394 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1524 Views
That's an interesting observation. - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 1343 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1443 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1362 Views
Communication with the entirely other - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1390 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 1306 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 640 Views
In a way yes. - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1397 Views
My father, perhaps. - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 1285 Views
Ha. - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 1336 Views

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