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Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? Tom Send a noteboard - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM
It could just be a natural phenomenon, like we believe sun spots or storms on Jupiter to be. The appearance of Harey and the other simulacra could be the result of the interaction of some form of energy, like a frequency of a wave of energy that somehow captures the information in the characters' brains and then projects those bits of information that can sustain themselves by inertia via subatomic reactions into a seemingly real copy. It could be that Solaris is alive and doing the same thing, but not fully sentient. Solaris could have the mind of a tree, or a sponge. Solaris could also be sentient, but so different from people that it doesn't understand us, how we work or what we are about. It could also be that Solaris does understand us, that it understands us perfectly, and it is trying desperately to get someone to take it back to Earth to destroy humanity. We don't know.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 2241 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 837 Views
I read it back in January. - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1514 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 791 Views
I just finished it. - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1507 Views
Well, to be fair, - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1437 Views
Heh. - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1635 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1381 Views
That was how I felt too. - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 1219 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1811 Views
I read it, and liked it. - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1503 Views
I plan to - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1626 Views
I might re-read it in a few days - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1436 Views
I'm currently reading it - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1695 Views
That has always bothered me too. - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 1332 Views
Indeed - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1358 Views
It was a while since I've read it - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 1340 Views
I have started reading it - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 1289 Views
Translation: - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1570 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1565 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1489 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1446 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 780 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 770 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1428 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1521 Views
That was the one I read. - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1684 Views
I read it in Czech - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1685 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1910 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1581 Views
I have a different opinion on this. - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1437 Views
I've read it in Polish - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 1269 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1395 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1408 Views
Rights issues, I beieve - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1451 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 1300 Views
I read the English from French translation - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 1261 Views
This was my general experience as well. - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 1304 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 1270 Views
Re: I do that too! - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 1313 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 1284 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1480 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1457 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 1300 Views
Re: - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1417 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 1323 Views
Fair enough. - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1403 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1393 Views
Good point Tom. - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 1283 Views
It's definitely literature - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 1239 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 1228 Views
As long as you realize... - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 1250 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 1357 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1346 Views
Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 1211 Views
Re: Very well put. - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1329 Views
This book is definitely literature. - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1386 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 722 Views
Understandable. - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 1255 Views
Hmmm - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1371 Views
What didn't you enjoy? - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 1243 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 1210 Views
This was what I disliked too - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1420 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 1285 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1508 Views
That is an interesting take. - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1326 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 1361 Views
The only thing that bothered me... - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1464 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1416 Views
Apparently not. - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1456 Views
True - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 1278 Views
Point of fact, - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1329 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1701 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1495 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1655 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1495 Views
Thank you. - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1443 Views
One point... - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 1315 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1399 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1336 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 1290 Views
Ah. OK. - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1424 Views
Thanks - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 1310 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 1287 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1623 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 1269 Views
A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1303 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1410 Views
Re: A question about Lem. - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1431 Views
Thanks. - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1431 Views
Yes - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1376 Views
My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM 1683 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1576 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1454 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 1264 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1435 Views
Re: So I have no team spirit and should be lynched. - 23/04/2010 09:41:48 PM 1300 Views
I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. - 25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM 1265 Views
Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 1261 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 622 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 1346 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 1271 Views
Yes - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1429 Views
That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1335 Views
Re: That is a great idea... - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1368 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 1287 Views
It is interesting you should say that. - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1564 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1432 Views
Derrida is great. - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1472 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 1300 Views
I can't decide. - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1423 Views
An interesting point to consider... - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1436 Views
Re: I can't decide. - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 1222 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1422 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1398 Views
Does it make a difference? - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 1254 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1417 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1363 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1491 Views
That's an interesting observation. - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 1303 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1417 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1336 Views
Communication with the entirely other - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1362 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 1273 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 621 Views
In a way yes. - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1371 Views
My father, perhaps. - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 1258 Views
Ha. - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 1303 Views

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