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It had more to do with recognizing mankind's tendency to imposes their ideas on other cultures. Tashmere Send a noteboard - 25/04/2010 05:35:25 PM
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It had more to do with recognizing mankind's tendency to imposes their ideas on other cultures.
Tashmere Send a noteboard - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM
I watched the movie reluctantly because I have heard so many over the top rave reviews about it that there was no way that it was going to live up to it. Also I had heard enough negative reviews about how annoying the obvious preaching was about American imperialism and how obnoxiously they portrayed the military that I was prepared to be dissappointed and entertain myself by rolling my eyes.

Where reading the book may have helped was that I had already been thinking about mankind's history of dealing with other cultures and people and how that translated even to a personal level of how I deal with people that are different.

So instead of seeing the movie as being a thinly veiled piece of "Anti-American" propoganda, I saw it more as just a fun (although predictable) movie that was only making observations on what has happened for centuries when one culture discovers another which it considers inferior. It is a natural though not pretty reaction.
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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 2160 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 786 Views
I read it back in January. Tom - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1430 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* Legolas - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 737 Views
I just finished it. Rebekah - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1420 Views
Well, to be fair, Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1358 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1568 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1296 Views
That was how I felt too. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 1147 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. Linda - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1711 Views
Yes, I read it. Must be something like... eh. it was before the clooney horror movie came out? *NM* jh - 19/04/2010 07:23:15 PM 789 Views
I read it, and liked it. wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1427 Views
I plan to Camilla - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1544 Views
I might re-read it in a few days Larry - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1354 Views
I'm currently reading it Mark - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1602 Views
That has always bothered me too. Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 1267 Views
I am with you on that. It may not be rational or my reasons have to do with vanity Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:18:53 PM 1184 Views
Re: When you look through Lem's page on Solaris covers, that one is the least interesting. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 10:01:50 AM 1287 Views
Indeed Camilla - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1280 Views
It was a while since I've read it Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 1264 Views
I have started reading it Camilla - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 1216 Views
Translation: Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1482 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. Tom - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1477 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. Legolas - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1394 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). Rebekah - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1351 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* jh - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 721 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 723 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. jh - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1348 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1429 Views
That was the one I read. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1597 Views
Read a swedish translation back then. jh - 19/04/2010 07:28:14 PM 1244 Views
Yes, the version I read was translated from polish. All the names were intact from the original *NM* Dragonsworn - 20/04/2010 12:17:42 AM 786 Views
I read it in Czech wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1600 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. Linda - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1827 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox everynametaken - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1476 Views
I have a different opinion on this. Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1366 Views
I've read it in Polish Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 1186 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1330 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1337 Views
Rights issues, I beieve Larry - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1366 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. Jacob - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 1222 Views
I read the English from French translation Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 1185 Views
This was my general experience as well. Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 1233 Views
So. Uh. The chick's name was Rheya in the book I read. Not in other translations? Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:42:16 PM 1362 Views
Her name in the original is Harey, it got changed to Rheya somewhere along the way of the wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:49:33 PM 1380 Views
In Russian it was just Hari, or, more precisely, Хари. *NM* Tom - 19/04/2010 10:28:49 PM 707 Views
I haven't looked into the reasons yet, outside of what would seem obvious, Jacob - 19/04/2010 09:26:11 PM 1362 Views
Re: I think the translators just thought Harey wasn't immediately accessible as a feminine name. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:59:17 AM 1462 Views
That is what I assumed as well. Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:40:45 PM 1266 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 1173 Views
Re: I do that too! Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 1229 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 1202 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction Jacob - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1385 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction lyringlas - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1384 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 1222 Views
Re: Panorphaeon - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1335 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? Tom - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 1251 Views
Fair enough. Panorphaeon - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1323 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1312 Views
Good point Tom. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 1205 Views
It's definitely literature Tom - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 1161 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 1144 Views
In all fairness to my opponents, Solaris is one of my strongest cases. Tom - 26/04/2010 10:16:20 PM 1124 Views
As long as you realize... Legolas - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 1176 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. Jacob - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 1265 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1266 Views
Very well put. Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 1129 Views
Re: Very well put. Camilla - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1258 Views
This book is definitely literature. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1304 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 674 Views
Understandable. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 1177 Views
Hmmm Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1287 Views
What didn't you enjoy? Jacob - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 1169 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. Tom - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 1119 Views
This was what I disliked too Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1341 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 1204 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1422 Views
That is an interesting take. Jacob - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1255 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 1283 Views
The only thing that bothered me... Jacob - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1392 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? Larry - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1339 Views
Apparently not. Tom - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1377 Views
True Larry - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 1208 Views
Point of fact, Jacob - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1251 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then Larry - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1624 Views
They never claimed to have a monopoly on guiding the discussions. I am just happy they are starting Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:51:01 PM 1218 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. Jacob - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1410 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses Larry - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1574 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. Legolas - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1426 Views
Thank you. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1365 Views
Well, when my sleeping is screwed up, interpretations are going to be wonky, it seems Larry - 27/04/2010 06:21:57 PM 1327 Views
One point... Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 1241 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems Larry - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1321 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. Rebekah - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1272 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it Larry - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 1209 Views
Ah. OK. Rebekah - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1347 Views
Thanks Larry - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 1231 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. Legolas - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 1194 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. Tom - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1542 Views
I am mostly just trying the approach out as something a little bit different. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:23:12 PM 1277 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 1195 Views
I've posted my thoughts on most of those issues in various places in this discussion. Tom - 24/04/2010 05:02:44 AM 1387 Views
Re: I think I'd just like for you to be more proactive and Start A Thread. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:50:26 AM 1281 Views
I was sort of being lazy. I'll do so now. *NM* Tom - 25/04/2010 03:20:12 PM 675 Views
A question about Lem. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1230 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad Larry - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1329 Views
Re: A question about Lem. Ellestra - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1345 Views
Thanks. everynametaken - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1343 Views
Yes Camilla - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1307 Views
My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem everynametaken - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM 1594 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1481 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1373 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 1183 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1351 Views
Re: So I have no team spirit and should be lynched. Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:41:48 PM 1230 Views
I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM 1197 Views
Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. Tom - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 1184 Views
Re: I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. Ellestra - 25/04/2010 01:52:19 PM 1242 Views
It had more to do with recognizing mankind's tendency to imposes their ideas on other cultures. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:35:25 PM 1265 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 573 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 1261 Views
I did spend a lot of the book speculating on what the planet was trying to do with those supressed Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:05:38 PM 1313 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) Jacob - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 1191 Views
Yes Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1349 Views
That is a great idea... Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1263 Views
Re: That is a great idea... Camilla - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1289 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. Tashmere - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 1220 Views
It is interesting you should say that. Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1482 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have Tashmere - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1354 Views
Derrida is great. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1383 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 1217 Views
I can't decide. Rebekah - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1352 Views
An interesting point to consider... everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1363 Views
Re: I can't decide. Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 1160 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1343 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1328 Views
Does it make a difference? Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 1177 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1347 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1281 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? Danae al'Thor - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1416 Views
That's an interesting observation. Tom - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 1219 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... Danae al'Thor - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1352 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1259 Views
Communication with the entirely other Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1288 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? Tashmere - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 1191 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* Tom - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 567 Views
In a way yes. Jacob - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1292 Views
My father, perhaps. Panorphaeon - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 1181 Views
Ha. Jacob - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 1223 Views
Re: You know, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am everyone only seemed to have one. Danae al'Thor - 10/05/2010 10:08:23 PM 1246 Views
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