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Good points Larry Send a noteboard - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM
And those ecological structures and how they affect the narrative history seems to be a theme in the Herbert novels.


That's indeed one of the 5-6 main themes of the novel as defined by Herbert himself. By that he meant the main ideas he had decided to explore. Rather than writing essays, Herbert used fiction. Most of his novels are speculative fiction in the purest sensse.

Some others "themes" I remember:

- How the scarcity of a vital resource tend to make it the pivot of economy and politics and defined the limit of the possible. It was a topic of exploration inspired by the oil crisis which was already predicted at the time.

- A deconstructiom of the myth of the Hero, worshipped by humans since the beginning of times, in myth and religions and history. Herbert believed that Heroes, especially the Superhero kind, were disastrous for humanity. In Dune, he meant to project this idea on a galactic scale and put the survival of all humanity itself into the balance.

- How the cult of the superhero too often lead to theocracy, and how mixing up religion and politics constantly lead to fanatism and disaster. Herbert thought theocracy the worst kind of government.

There were a few more, I'd need to look. IIRC, Herbert spoke of that in the foreword to one of the novels in the French edition (his forewords/afterwords, or those of his French publisher aren't in the American editions).

Of course there's minor themes and ideas by the dozen, as in all of Herbert's books.

Among other things, Dune has also fascinated economists in Europe in the 70s.



I had wondered at some of your earlier comments about the first book. May be due to the different appendices/forewords? And the economic aspect is certainly a key one and the Hero element is one I may want to explore in full more in the God-Emperor of Dune essay.
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1259 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1314 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1113 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1173 Views
That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1039 Views
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Re: That was most of my issue. - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 977 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1122 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1050 Views
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Good points - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1085 Views
Re: Good points - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1024 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1037 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1138 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1007 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 1003 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 913 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1057 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1151 Views
Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1023 Views
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People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1525 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 502 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1202 Views
Ecology goes more than one way - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1154 Views
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Everyone get something different from a book - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1413 Views
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I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1427 Views
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I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 449 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 454 Views
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His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 906 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1101 Views
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Depends - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 945 Views
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read something else - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 949 Views
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