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Re: You hit the nail on the head. Camilla Send a noteboard - 13/07/2010 08:51:45 AM
Since this is a children's book, the characters are, at this stage, very black and white. The Dursley's have no redeeming features at all, and Harry is very obviously written to garner sympathy. That said, I don't find that offputting. There's enough humour in her descriptions to prevent the characterisation from becoming heavy handed.

Indeed. They are mere sketches at this point, but she shades them later on.

Love that she uses the same things to appeal to boys and girls. Best example of this is Harry's room under the stairs. He's used to spiders, which would make the girls pity him because they think spiders are horrible, and pity's a great way to get little girls to like Harry. Whereas the boys will love that he's not scared of the spiders, which makes up for the fact that he's a dinky little wimpy thing. That lack of fear of the horrible hairy things will help boys to respect him.

Ick, the spiders. *shudder*

And before you tell me off for thinking in such glaring steroetypes: that really is how little girls and boys are. I know. I have loads of cousins around the target age of these books when they came out. That's pretty much how they react to things like that. ;)

I wasn't going to tell you off. That is definitely how I reacted to that scene.

I like also that Rowling gives something to the adults as well. The Dursleys are such social climbers, proper unpleasant middle class, and that would make a lot of grown ups chuckle a wee bit. Underneath it, though, you can see that Aunt Petunia at least does properly love her son, revolting ball of lard that he is. There's a little shade of grey there for older readers to appreciate.

Yes. I love the description of the Dursleys. It is wonderful how their middle-classness (using that as short-hand for all their traits here -- it is a stereotype which she makes the most of) makes them almost as off-putting as the Death-Eaters who kill hordes of people.

As for the wizarding types: Dumbledore's very quickly set as an eccentric with his love of sweets, but we're also introduced to his wisdom. McGonagall is clearly defined as the strong, steady, somewhat tartarish teacher, and Hagrid is the loveable scruff. Simple but effective.

Indeed. It is part of what I mean by her having the technique, if not the strength in wording. She knows how to characterise. And she keeps this up throughout the books. They are not necessarily terribly subtle sketches, but they are swift and highly effective.

Not subtle, but highly effective. I couldn't think of the right words, but you did. It is great for the first book because we are instantly familiar but there is room for them to develop. Sometimes characters like that feel forced, but I don't feel that about any of the characters in Harry Potter.


That is because she also understands suggestion, which allows the reader quite a bit of freedom in imagining the characters. Because of that, some of her characters feel more real than many very neuanced and conventionally more well written characters.
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You hit the nail on the head. - 13/07/2010 12:20:19 AM 1448 Views
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True. - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1511 Views
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But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! - 15/07/2010 02:51:47 AM 1636 Views
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I can clarify some stuff for you - 15/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 1444 Views
One of the most sublime, wonderful moments of any book - 15/07/2010 08:18:29 PM 1278 Views
Yes! - 15/07/2010 10:39:11 PM 1463 Views
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Haha - 15/07/2010 09:16:16 PM 1574 Views
Re: Haha - 15/07/2010 09:24:06 PM 1466 Views
But I thought all girls were made of sugar and spice and everything nice? - 15/07/2010 09:26:53 PM 1368 Views
Oh, we are. - 15/07/2010 09:35:17 PM 1274 Views
Ah like vodka vs. wine coolers? *NM* - 15/07/2010 09:48:26 PM 772 Views
Gin - 15/07/2010 09:49:33 PM 1401 Views
I was 16. - 15/07/2010 10:49:33 PM 1273 Views
So was I - 15/07/2010 10:54:24 PM 1317 Views
Honestly, dumbledore is a bit of an ass... - 15/07/2010 10:48:32 PM 1273 Views
Heresy! - 15/07/2010 10:55:28 PM 1325 Views
As I indicated below, I had some issues. - 16/07/2010 03:05:05 AM 1584 Views
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In fairness, it's Hogwarts itself that is all but impregnable. - 26/07/2010 03:55:02 PM 1390 Views
A funny thing I noticed - 15/07/2010 09:00:42 PM 1493 Views
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Overall thoughts for the book - 12/07/2010 08:31:37 AM 1438 Views
Foreshadowing and setting up the future - 12/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1359 Views
Harry's anger management issues? - 12/07/2010 07:14:58 PM 1430 Views
Heh. - 12/07/2010 07:40:40 PM 1475 Views
Nah, not deliberate. - 12/07/2010 09:14:20 PM 1529 Views
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Re: Nah, not deliberate. - 13/07/2010 03:02:59 PM 1374 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. - 13/07/2010 03:04:42 PM 1501 Views
I noticed a lot of this. - 12/07/2010 07:22:54 PM 1552 Views
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Re: I noticed a lot of this. - 12/07/2010 07:45:32 PM 1472 Views
~smug~ - 13/07/2010 02:09:15 PM 1444 Views
Indeed. - 13/07/2010 02:10:41 PM 1683 Views
This response implies the experience of being both?? - 13/07/2010 03:23:29 PM 1416 Views
On Ginny: - 12/07/2010 10:36:47 PM 1497 Views
So much (chapters 1-3) *spoilers* - 12/07/2010 07:35:57 PM 1648 Views
Hm. - 12/07/2010 07:38:05 PM 1468 Views
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Re: Hm. - 13/07/2010 04:41:12 AM 1367 Views
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Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) - 14/07/2010 11:05:59 PM 1420 Views
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You are a clever cookie. - 15/07/2010 08:14:25 AM 1428 Views
Yes - 15/07/2010 03:30:36 PM 1282 Views
Ooh, yes. - 16/07/2010 12:19:13 AM 1255 Views
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Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 - 17/07/2010 04:23:15 PM 1542 Views
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Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 - 17/07/2010 07:12:39 PM 1673 Views
I like it. Thank you. - 20/07/2010 12:53:37 AM 1588 Views
What made this book (and the rest of the series) such a success? - 12/07/2010 08:33:00 AM 1520 Views
I have no idea *spoilers* - 12/07/2010 07:47:58 PM 1583 Views
I agree... - 12/07/2010 09:19:59 PM 1613 Views
It has tons of things in it that every kid dreams of doing - 14/07/2010 01:56:05 PM 1532 Views
Kid? - 14/07/2010 02:01:30 PM 1548 Views
so do I. I was just trying to act mature *NM* - 14/07/2010 02:08:01 PM 981 Views
Not even just the super stuff Deadsy mentions. - 14/07/2010 04:38:46 PM 1654 Views
It's a simple, well-done little book. - 12/07/2010 07:46:48 PM 1529 Views
you don't read instructions, do you? - 12/07/2010 07:49:24 PM 1561 Views
Heh. - 12/07/2010 07:50:23 PM 1514 Views
Re: Heh. - 12/07/2010 07:51:40 PM 1520 Views
Awwww! - 12/07/2010 07:52:19 PM 1411 Views
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Wha? - 12/07/2010 07:50:44 PM 1550 Views
Re: Wha? - 12/07/2010 07:52:21 PM 1557 Views
Pff. - 12/07/2010 07:54:54 PM 1540 Views
*NM* - 12/07/2010 07:56:03 PM 985 Views
When did you pick up this book? - 12/07/2010 11:30:46 PM 1454 Views
I was 10. - 13/07/2010 04:13:44 AM 1610 Views
I was 16. - 13/07/2010 08:24:02 AM 1532 Views
1999 - 13/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1530 Views
What do you mean by adult version? - 13/07/2010 02:15:40 PM 1633 Views
Re: What do you mean by adult version? - 13/07/2010 02:17:40 PM 1511 Views
Just before the first movie came out - 13/07/2010 02:17:42 PM 1676 Views
When Prisoner of Azkaban was a hardback. - 13/07/2010 02:23:57 PM 1526 Views
Just after Goblet of Fire was published. - 13/07/2010 11:50:38 PM 1590 Views
Just before Goblet of Fire came out. - 14/07/2010 04:04:21 AM 1560 Views
The first five were out, waited for HBP. - 14/07/2010 06:20:39 AM 1654 Views
You're making me want to talk about toadface - 14/07/2010 02:06:25 PM 1582 Views
Sorry! - 15/07/2010 06:36:11 AM 1602 Views
I held out quite awhile because I don't like "fads" - 14/07/2010 02:04:37 PM 1503 Views
Lol! - 14/07/2010 08:54:47 PM 1610 Views
I did the same thing. - 15/07/2010 06:39:16 AM 1595 Views
Re: I did the same thing. - 15/07/2010 10:01:04 AM 1781 Views
Re: I did the same thing. - 15/07/2010 05:44:28 PM 1652 Views
I would have, if I had known there was hype. I know I would have. - 15/07/2010 03:28:50 PM 1617 Views
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I think I was first! - 23/07/2010 07:05:08 PM 1618 Views
Aged 13 or 14 - a while before the first movie (which was Christmas 2001). *NM* - 26/07/2010 04:13:55 PM 953 Views
Jesus Christ. - 26/07/2010 05:04:46 PM 1627 Views
^That was me. *NM* - 26/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 946 Views
I was going to ask if it was. *NM* - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 932 Views
Suggestions for the Re-read - 12/07/2010 08:33:25 AM 1559 Views
I like it so far - 13/07/2010 10:16:49 AM 1563 Views
I can try that for the next book. - 13/07/2010 11:21:01 PM 1547 Views
Can we get chapter discussions everyday? *NM* - 15/07/2010 06:40:30 PM 921 Views
Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 1883 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 1537 Views
That's nonsense.. - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 1452 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 868 Views
What's there to believe? - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 1550 Views
Re: That's nonsense.. - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 1670 Views
Also - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 1896 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 1580 Views
Huh? - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 1468 Views
But Camilla explained it! - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 1780 Views
Correction - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 1571 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 1480 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 1497 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 1798 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 1496 Views
That bothers me too. - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 1567 Views
Re: That bothers me too. - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 1412 Views
Yet... - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 1486 Views
Re: Yet... - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 1539 Views
To quote Dumbledore... - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 1440 Views
Again... - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 1725 Views
Re: Again... - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 1520 Views
Re: Again... - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 1717 Views
Re: Again... - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 1526 Views
Yet another load of bosh. - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 1520 Views
Then let's leave it. - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 1614 Views
Re: Then let's leave it. - 21/07/2010 04:19:35 PM 1537 Views
My two cents - 19/07/2010 06:11:30 AM 1588 Views
It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... - 14/09/2010 12:11:20 AM 1968 Views
Re: It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... - 14/09/2010 09:20:46 AM 1425 Views
You have to wonder if that's actually true. - 26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM 1511 Views
Re: You have to wonder if that's actually true. - 26/07/2010 05:06:43 PM 1610 Views
I don't know that I'd call it "see through Pettigrew"... - 26/07/2010 06:22:19 PM 1523 Views
^That was me, too. Oh, dear. - 26/07/2010 09:56:43 PM 1702 Views
Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house - 18/07/2010 07:14:21 PM 1476 Views
Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 1815 Views
^ And this, too, was me. - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 1538 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 1468 Views
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