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Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM
I'm beginning with some negatives I've noticed in the books (don't ask me why. I think its a great book, which is probably why these stand out so...)

First off... Why didn't Dumbledore react when Hagrid told him Sirius lent him his bike? Why not try to stop him when Hagrid said he was going to return the bike now?

From book 3, it is clear Dumbledore "knew" Sirius was the Secret Keeper from the beginning. His lack of suspicion in the first chapter is a little baffling.

But more irritating is that the Potters felt they needed an outsider as a Secret Keeper. Why choose between Lupin, Wormtail and Sirius at all? We have seen Mr. Weasley and Bill act as Secret Keepers for their own homes. One would think James or especially Lily (who was great at Charms, apparently) would have taken up the job. That would have been so much safer. The existence of this hole has always bothered me.

The Dumbledore-McGonagall relationship: This is less a critique of this book and more one of the series. Early on, McGonagall is shown to be at least as close a confidante of Dumbledore as Snape, maybe closer. She trsuts (and is in turn trusted by) Dumbledore, but she isn't shown to be incapable of questioning him or disagreeing with him. Yet, when his end was near, and he knew Harry would have to go through crazy adventures and Hogwarts would be compromised, he was content to let her carry on teaching?
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Harry Potter Re-read: The Philosopher's Stone - Final section underway! (& next book plans) Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:27:51 AM 3896 Views
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Characterisation *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:02 AM 1226 Views
My thoughts, such as they are. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:09:55 PM 2236 Views
Agree. She gave us enough to make it interesting. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 06:45:46 PM 2173 Views
Re: My thoughts, such as they are. *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:43:49 PM 2187 Views
You hit the nail on the head. Seriana Sedai - 13/07/2010 12:20:19 AM 2056 Views
Re: You hit the nail on the head. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:51:45 AM 2040 Views
Writing style *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1203 Views
A couple of points. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:10:20 PM 1996 Views
It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:18:14 PM 2221 Views
True. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 2155 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Tor - 12/07/2010 09:31:11 PM 2352 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:51:23 PM 1960 Views
Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:03:26 AM 2212 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:54:40 AM 2160 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 01:14:01 PM 2205 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 01:15:23 PM 1992 Views
Early themes *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:37 AM 1291 Views
Strong vs weak *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:23:45 PM 1985 Views
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Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. *NM* Rebekah - 14/07/2010 08:29:38 AM 1171 Views
I'd forgotten how annoying Hermione was Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:48:13 PM 2062 Views
Me too. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:30:13 PM 1977 Views
Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 04:58:04 PM 2022 Views
Re: Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:13:13 PM 2062 Views
Yes and, I think, this may be another candidate for early themes (from above) StormCrow - 14/07/2010 07:43:14 PM 2174 Views
Re: Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. aria - 14/07/2010 04:22:54 PM 2173 Views
Agree. I loved the instant tension between Harry and Malfoy and with Harry and Snape too. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:03:20 PM 2330 Views
Some thoughts before I run off to the library again Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:11:45 PM 2276 Views
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It's interesting to look at the beginning of the story from Draco's point of view. Legolas - 26/07/2010 03:08:38 PM 2393 Views
Re: It's interesting to look at the beginning of the story from Draco's point of view. Camilla - 26/07/2010 03:18:02 PM 2023 Views
What about the magic? Rebekah - 14/07/2010 08:58:51 AM 2031 Views
The magic wasnt really developed at this point Dark Knight - 14/07/2010 02:13:41 PM 1958 Views
Re: The magic wasnt really developed at this point Camilla - 14/07/2010 08:53:08 PM 2195 Views
There was one powerful protection Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 01:29:49 AM 2151 Views
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Re: Diagon Alley - Olivander's Foreshadowing aria - 14/07/2010 08:51:06 PM 1962 Views
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I felt bad for Neville. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 09:03:49 PM 2099 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 14/07/2010 09:05:40 PM 1971 Views
But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! nossy - 15/07/2010 02:51:47 AM 2250 Views
I know, right! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:41:01 AM 1970 Views
Exactly. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:22:18 PM 1917 Views
Re: But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:15:55 AM 2026 Views
Ah, see nossy - 15/07/2010 03:23:49 PM 1934 Views
Chapters 11-17: Harry the Hero *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:30:29 AM 1163 Views
What'd you think of the ending? *NM* Rebekah - 15/07/2010 05:21:38 PM 1120 Views
Loved it. StormCrow - 15/07/2010 05:56:06 PM 2027 Views
Two separate things: nossy - 15/07/2010 07:14:08 PM 2012 Views
I hear you Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 08:22:05 PM 2054 Views
Re: Two separate things: Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:48:21 PM 2039 Views
I can clarify some stuff for you Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 2116 Views
One of the most sublime, wonderful moments of any book Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 08:18:29 PM 1892 Views
Yes! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 10:39:11 PM 2040 Views
Lovely Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:00:11 PM 2125 Views
Haha Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:16:16 PM 2209 Views
Re: Haha Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:24:06 PM 2133 Views
But I thought all girls were made of sugar and spice and everything nice? Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:26:53 PM 1965 Views
Oh, we are. Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:35:17 PM 1891 Views
Ah like vodka vs. wine coolers? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:48:26 PM 1119 Views
Gin Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:49:33 PM 2007 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 15/07/2010 10:49:33 PM 1871 Views
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Honestly, dumbledore is a bit of an ass... jh - 15/07/2010 10:48:32 PM 1890 Views
Heresy! Camilla - 15/07/2010 10:55:28 PM 1908 Views
The decades of manipulation of a child doesn't bother you, but the House Cup does? *NM* Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 11:37:54 PM 1082 Views
Not really. I am looking at it from a school perspective. jh - 16/07/2010 12:54:46 PM 1805 Views
As I indicated below, I had some issues. Nate - 16/07/2010 03:05:05 AM 2219 Views
Re: As I indicated below, I had some issues. Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:14:56 AM 2112 Views
In fairness, it's Hogwarts itself that is all but impregnable. Legolas - 26/07/2010 03:55:02 PM 2025 Views
A funny thing I noticed Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:00:42 PM 2131 Views
nossy - 15/07/2010 09:18:08 PM 1977 Views
Overall thoughts for the book Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:31:37 AM 2008 Views
Foreshadowing and setting up the future Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1937 Views
Harry's anger management issues? StormCrow - 12/07/2010 07:14:58 PM 2034 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:40:40 PM 2049 Views
Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:14:20 PM 2103 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:55:32 PM 2039 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:02:59 PM 1983 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. Camilla - 13/07/2010 03:04:42 PM 2085 Views
I noticed a lot of this. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:22:54 PM 2155 Views
Re: I noticed a lot of this. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:25 PM 2089 Views
Re: I noticed a lot of this. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:45:32 PM 2062 Views
~smug~ Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:09:15 PM 2024 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:10:41 PM 2282 Views
This response implies the experience of being both?? StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:23:29 PM 2024 Views
On Ginny: Kronin al'Sulc - 12/07/2010 10:36:47 PM 2182 Views
This was my interpretation too and why I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 02:53:08 PM 1044 Views
I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:45:28 AM 2307 Views
Re: I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:58:10 AM 2034 Views
So much (chapters 1-3) *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:35:57 PM 2284 Views
Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:38:05 PM 2112 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:39:08 PM 2110 Views
Re: Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:53 PM 1915 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:44:16 PM 1836 Views
Re: Hm. Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:41:12 AM 1927 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:55:09 AM 2005 Views
I missed the school roof thing this time around too! Good catch there. *NM* StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1178 Views
The thing that tipped me off Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:53:01 PM 2036 Views
Imagine how easy his test would have been if he remembered he'd done it as a child! *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:20:27 PM 1132 Views
You have to wonder why Hagrid and Dumbledore didn't suspect the truth about Sirius. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:04:05 PM 1977 Views
I re-read a couple weeks ago, and I was highly amused by all the little things she worked in nossy - 14/07/2010 04:09:19 AM 2112 Views
Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 09:18:35 PM 2234 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Deadsy - 14/07/2010 10:30:23 PM 2073 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 10:55:01 PM 2028 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Deadsy - 14/07/2010 11:05:59 PM 2061 Views
I can answer your consistency question! Cockatiel of Doom - 15/07/2010 02:35:42 AM 2191 Views
You are a clever cookie. Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:14:25 AM 2025 Views
Yes nossy - 15/07/2010 03:30:36 PM 1867 Views
Ooh, yes. Cockatiel of Doom - 16/07/2010 12:19:13 AM 1867 Views
More stuff (chapters 12-17) Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:55:34 PM 1888 Views
Re: More stuff (chapters 12-17) Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 2038 Views
Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Cockatiel of Doom - 17/07/2010 04:23:15 PM 2108 Views
Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Camilla - 17/07/2010 04:28:04 PM 2016 Views
Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 aria - 17/07/2010 07:12:39 PM 2254 Views
I like it. Thank you. Cockatiel of Doom - 20/07/2010 12:53:37 AM 2218 Views
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I have no idea *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:47:58 PM 2215 Views
I agree... StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:19:59 PM 2195 Views
I think it was mostly because it was a simple narrative with an identifiable protagnonist. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:59:06 PM 2086 Views
It has tons of things in it that every kid dreams of doing Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:56:05 PM 2128 Views
Kid? Camilla - 14/07/2010 02:01:30 PM 2118 Views
so do I. I was just trying to act mature *NM* Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:08:01 PM 1292 Views
Not even just the super stuff Deadsy mentions. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:38:46 PM 2245 Views
It's a simple, well-done little book. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:46:48 PM 2180 Views
you don't read instructions, do you? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:49:24 PM 2186 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:50:23 PM 2096 Views
Re: Heh. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:51:40 PM 2100 Views
Awwww! Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:52:19 PM 2068 Views
Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:52 PM 2142 Views
Wha? Nate - 12/07/2010 07:50:44 PM 2182 Views
Re: Wha? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:21 PM 2115 Views
Pff. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:54:54 PM 2114 Views
*NM* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:56:03 PM 1309 Views
When did you pick up this book? Dark Knight - 12/07/2010 11:30:46 PM 2040 Views
I was 10. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:13:44 AM 2196 Views
Ah book orders...man you just brought back nostalgic memories. I miss being a kid Dark Knight - 13/07/2010 04:42:12 AM 2249 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 08:24:02 AM 2127 Views
1999 Camilla - 13/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 2117 Views
What do you mean by adult version? aria - 13/07/2010 02:15:40 PM 2241 Views
Re: What do you mean by adult version? Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:17:40 PM 2115 Views
They started publishing copies with 'adult' covers so people wouldn't be caught out reading Chas - 13/07/2010 11:53:46 PM 2157 Views
Just before the first movie came out aria - 13/07/2010 02:17:42 PM 2275 Views
When Prisoner of Azkaban was a hardback. Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:23:57 PM 2142 Views
Got a boxed set for Christmas when Order of the Phoenix came out in hardback. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:06:42 PM 2175 Views
Just after Goblet of Fire was published. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:50:38 PM 2201 Views
Just before Goblet of Fire came out. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:04:21 AM 2137 Views
The first five were out, waited for HBP. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:20:39 AM 2282 Views
You're making me want to talk about toadface Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:06:25 PM 2165 Views
Sorry! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:36:11 AM 2243 Views
Very early. Beginning of 1999, so it had just come out in the States. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/07/2010 08:54:06 AM 1345 Views
I held out quite awhile because I don't like "fads" Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:04:37 PM 2099 Views
Lol! aria - 14/07/2010 08:54:47 PM 2196 Views
I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:39:16 AM 2212 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Deadsy - 15/07/2010 10:01:04 AM 2405 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:44:28 PM 2289 Views
I would have, if I had known there was hype. I know I would have. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:28:50 PM 2281 Views
Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:47:01 PM 2264 Views
I think I was first! Monkey - 23/07/2010 07:05:08 PM 2224 Views
Aged 13 or 14 - a while before the first movie (which was Christmas 2001). *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:13:55 PM 1314 Views
Jesus Christ. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:04:46 PM 2338 Views
^That was me. *NM* Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 1329 Views
I was going to ask if it was. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 1277 Views
Aw. I was just feeling flattered as I didn't think Tor had read that many of my posts. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:15:52 AM 1292 Views
Besides, you've met me, you should know how old I am. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:16:23 AM 1336 Views
I am very bad at guessing age when I meet people in person Camilla - 27/07/2010 09:05:35 AM 2731 Views
Suggestions for the Re-read Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:33:25 AM 2159 Views
I like it so far Camilla - 13/07/2010 10:16:49 AM 2138 Views
I can try that for the next book. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 11:21:01 PM 2122 Views
This is my first official time participating and its been fun so far! StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:16:48 PM 2092 Views
Unfortunately, no. (Silly me, pretending someone's still going to read all my posts... ) *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:20:35 PM 1304 Views
Can we get chapter discussions everyday? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 06:40:30 PM 1255 Views
Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 2505 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 2132 Views
That's nonsense.. fionwe1987 - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 2081 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 1192 Views
What's there to believe? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 2169 Views
Peter + Sirius = family. I don't know how to explain it more simply. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/07/2010 08:58:20 AM 1302 Views
Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 2257 Views
Also Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 2515 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency eucatastrophe - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 2200 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 2047 Views
But Camilla explained it! eucatastrophe - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 2365 Views
Correction Camilla - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 2216 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 2070 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 2099 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 2397 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 2098 Views
That bothers me too. aria - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 2183 Views
Re: That bothers me too. Camilla - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 2037 Views
Yet... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 2103 Views
Re: Yet... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 2116 Views
To quote Dumbledore... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 2041 Views
Again... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 2346 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 2140 Views
Re: Again... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 2329 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 2162 Views
Yet another load of bosh. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 2117 Views
Then let's leave it. Camilla - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 2259 Views
Re: Then let's leave it. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 04:19:35 PM 2133 Views
My two cents Seriana Sedai - 19/07/2010 06:11:30 AM 2259 Views
It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... DomA - 14/09/2010 12:11:20 AM 2614 Views
Re: It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... Camilla - 14/09/2010 09:20:46 AM 2027 Views
You have to wonder if that's actually true. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM 2122 Views
Re: You have to wonder if that's actually true. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:06:43 PM 2309 Views
I don't know that I'd call it "see through Pettigrew"... Legolas - 26/07/2010 06:22:19 PM 2089 Views
^That was me, too. Oh, dear. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:56:43 PM 2319 Views
Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house aria - 18/07/2010 07:14:21 PM 2120 Views
Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house Tor - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 2525 Views
^ And this, too, was me. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 2129 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 2040 Views
Camilla - 26/07/2010 10:07:36 PM 1933 Views
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