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Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM
I'm beginning with some negatives I've noticed in the books (don't ask me why. I think its a great book, which is probably why these stand out so...)

First off... Why didn't Dumbledore react when Hagrid told him Sirius lent him his bike? Why not try to stop him when Hagrid said he was going to return the bike now?

From book 3, it is clear Dumbledore "knew" Sirius was the Secret Keeper from the beginning. His lack of suspicion in the first chapter is a little baffling.

But more irritating is that the Potters felt they needed an outsider as a Secret Keeper. Why choose between Lupin, Wormtail and Sirius at all? We have seen Mr. Weasley and Bill act as Secret Keepers for their own homes. One would think James or especially Lily (who was great at Charms, apparently) would have taken up the job. That would have been so much safer. The existence of this hole has always bothered me.

The Dumbledore-McGonagall relationship: This is less a critique of this book and more one of the series. Early on, McGonagall is shown to be at least as close a confidante of Dumbledore as Snape, maybe closer. She trsuts (and is in turn trusted by) Dumbledore, but she isn't shown to be incapable of questioning him or disagreeing with him. Yet, when his end was near, and he knew Harry would have to go through crazy adventures and Hogwarts would be compromised, he was content to let her carry on teaching?
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Harry Potter Re-read: The Philosopher's Stone - Final section underway! (& next book plans) Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:27:51 AM 3686 Views
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Characterisation *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:02 AM 1109 Views
My thoughts, such as they are. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:09:55 PM 2027 Views
Agree. She gave us enough to make it interesting. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 06:45:46 PM 1948 Views
Re: My thoughts, such as they are. *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:43:49 PM 1946 Views
You hit the nail on the head. Seriana Sedai - 13/07/2010 12:20:19 AM 1872 Views
Re: You hit the nail on the head. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:51:45 AM 1801 Views
Writing style *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1084 Views
A couple of points. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:10:20 PM 1802 Views
It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:18:14 PM 2000 Views
True. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1934 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Tor - 12/07/2010 09:31:11 PM 2164 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:51:23 PM 1728 Views
Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:03:26 AM 1970 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:54:40 AM 1936 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 01:14:01 PM 2000 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 01:15:23 PM 1772 Views
Early themes *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:37 AM 1177 Views
Strong vs weak *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:23:45 PM 1755 Views
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Re: Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:44:56 PM 1762 Views
Chapters 4-10: Making Friends at Hogwarts *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:58 AM 1031 Views
Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. *NM* Rebekah - 14/07/2010 08:29:38 AM 1068 Views
I'd forgotten how annoying Hermione was Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:48:13 PM 1854 Views
Me too. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:30:13 PM 1772 Views
Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 04:58:04 PM 1821 Views
Re: Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:13:13 PM 1844 Views
Yes and, I think, this may be another candidate for early themes (from above) StormCrow - 14/07/2010 07:43:14 PM 1945 Views
Re: Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. aria - 14/07/2010 04:22:54 PM 1964 Views
Agree. I loved the instant tension between Harry and Malfoy and with Harry and Snape too. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:03:20 PM 2106 Views
Some thoughts before I run off to the library again Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:11:45 PM 2022 Views
Good points aria - 14/07/2010 08:45:56 PM 1923 Views
It's interesting to look at the beginning of the story from Draco's point of view. Legolas - 26/07/2010 03:08:38 PM 2178 Views
Re: It's interesting to look at the beginning of the story from Draco's point of view. Camilla - 26/07/2010 03:18:02 PM 1772 Views
What about the magic? Rebekah - 14/07/2010 08:58:51 AM 1840 Views
The magic wasnt really developed at this point Dark Knight - 14/07/2010 02:13:41 PM 1757 Views
Re: The magic wasnt really developed at this point Camilla - 14/07/2010 08:53:08 PM 1999 Views
There was one powerful protection Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 01:29:49 AM 1934 Views
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Re: I agree Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 05:44:41 AM 1796 Views
Re: There was one powerful protection Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:12:40 AM 2080 Views
I think nossy - 14/07/2010 04:34:30 PM 1762 Views
Diagon Alley - Olivander's Foreshadowing StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:11:40 PM 2051 Views
Re: Diagon Alley - Olivander's Foreshadowing aria - 14/07/2010 08:51:06 PM 1758 Views
Agreed. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 08:57:55 PM 1797 Views
I really need a remembrall. Camilla - 14/07/2010 08:57:10 PM 1950 Views
I felt bad for Neville. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 09:03:49 PM 1900 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 14/07/2010 09:05:40 PM 1784 Views
But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! nossy - 15/07/2010 02:51:47 AM 2061 Views
I know, right! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:41:01 AM 1765 Views
Exactly. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:22:18 PM 1699 Views
Re: But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:15:55 AM 1813 Views
Ah, see nossy - 15/07/2010 03:23:49 PM 1740 Views
Chapters 11-17: Harry the Hero *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:30:29 AM 1046 Views
What'd you think of the ending? *NM* Rebekah - 15/07/2010 05:21:38 PM 1010 Views
Loved it. StormCrow - 15/07/2010 05:56:06 PM 1826 Views
Two separate things: nossy - 15/07/2010 07:14:08 PM 1817 Views
I hear you Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 08:22:05 PM 1845 Views
Re: Two separate things: Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:48:21 PM 1829 Views
I can clarify some stuff for you Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 1900 Views
One of the most sublime, wonderful moments of any book Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 08:18:29 PM 1677 Views
Yes! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 10:39:11 PM 1853 Views
Lovely Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:00:11 PM 1919 Views
Haha Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:16:16 PM 1989 Views
Re: Haha Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:24:06 PM 1892 Views
But I thought all girls were made of sugar and spice and everything nice? Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:26:53 PM 1750 Views
Oh, we are. Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:35:17 PM 1669 Views
Ah like vodka vs. wine coolers? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:48:26 PM 990 Views
Gin Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:49:33 PM 1781 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 15/07/2010 10:49:33 PM 1673 Views
So was I Camilla - 15/07/2010 10:54:24 PM 1710 Views
Honestly, dumbledore is a bit of an ass... jh - 15/07/2010 10:48:32 PM 1683 Views
Heresy! Camilla - 15/07/2010 10:55:28 PM 1704 Views
The decades of manipulation of a child doesn't bother you, but the House Cup does? *NM* Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 11:37:54 PM 976 Views
Not really. I am looking at it from a school perspective. jh - 16/07/2010 12:54:46 PM 1599 Views
As I indicated below, I had some issues. Nate - 16/07/2010 03:05:05 AM 1996 Views
Re: As I indicated below, I had some issues. Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:14:56 AM 1862 Views
In fairness, it's Hogwarts itself that is all but impregnable. Legolas - 26/07/2010 03:55:02 PM 1796 Views
A funny thing I noticed Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:00:42 PM 1892 Views
nossy - 15/07/2010 09:18:08 PM 1760 Views
Overall thoughts for the book Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:31:37 AM 1820 Views
Foreshadowing and setting up the future Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1753 Views
Harry's anger management issues? StormCrow - 12/07/2010 07:14:58 PM 1822 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:40:40 PM 1852 Views
Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:14:20 PM 1909 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:55:32 PM 1832 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:02:59 PM 1773 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. Camilla - 13/07/2010 03:04:42 PM 1872 Views
I noticed a lot of this. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:22:54 PM 1948 Views
Re: I noticed a lot of this. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:25 PM 1864 Views
Re: I noticed a lot of this. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:45:32 PM 1854 Views
~smug~ Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:09:15 PM 1836 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:10:41 PM 2075 Views
This response implies the experience of being both?? StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:23:29 PM 1823 Views
On Ginny: Kronin al'Sulc - 12/07/2010 10:36:47 PM 1950 Views
This was my interpretation too and why I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 02:53:08 PM 941 Views
I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:45:28 AM 2066 Views
Re: I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:58:10 AM 1824 Views
So much (chapters 1-3) *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:35:57 PM 2075 Views
Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:38:05 PM 1899 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:39:08 PM 1909 Views
Re: Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:53 PM 1718 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:44:16 PM 1631 Views
Re: Hm. Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:41:12 AM 1729 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:55:09 AM 1760 Views
I missed the school roof thing this time around too! Good catch there. *NM* StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1017 Views
The thing that tipped me off Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:53:01 PM 1822 Views
Imagine how easy his test would have been if he remembered he'd done it as a child! *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:20:27 PM 1012 Views
You have to wonder why Hagrid and Dumbledore didn't suspect the truth about Sirius. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:04:05 PM 1759 Views
I re-read a couple weeks ago, and I was highly amused by all the little things she worked in nossy - 14/07/2010 04:09:19 AM 1894 Views
Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 09:18:35 PM 2017 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Deadsy - 14/07/2010 10:30:23 PM 1860 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 10:55:01 PM 1789 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Deadsy - 14/07/2010 11:05:59 PM 1827 Views
I can answer your consistency question! Cockatiel of Doom - 15/07/2010 02:35:42 AM 1959 Views
You are a clever cookie. Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:14:25 AM 1805 Views
Yes nossy - 15/07/2010 03:30:36 PM 1651 Views
Ooh, yes. Cockatiel of Doom - 16/07/2010 12:19:13 AM 1660 Views
More stuff (chapters 12-17) Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:55:34 PM 1690 Views
Re: More stuff (chapters 12-17) Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1793 Views
Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Cockatiel of Doom - 17/07/2010 04:23:15 PM 1900 Views
Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Camilla - 17/07/2010 04:28:04 PM 1805 Views
Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 aria - 17/07/2010 07:12:39 PM 2057 Views
I like it. Thank you. Cockatiel of Doom - 20/07/2010 12:53:37 AM 1988 Views
What made this book (and the rest of the series) such a success? Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:33:00 AM 1904 Views
I have no idea *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:47:58 PM 1994 Views
I agree... StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:19:59 PM 1987 Views
I think it was mostly because it was a simple narrative with an identifiable protagnonist. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:59:06 PM 1893 Views
It has tons of things in it that every kid dreams of doing Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:56:05 PM 1929 Views
Kid? Camilla - 14/07/2010 02:01:30 PM 1930 Views
so do I. I was just trying to act mature *NM* Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:08:01 PM 1186 Views
Not even just the super stuff Deadsy mentions. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:38:46 PM 2042 Views
It's a simple, well-done little book. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:46:48 PM 1913 Views
you don't read instructions, do you? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:49:24 PM 1959 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:50:23 PM 1896 Views
Re: Heh. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:51:40 PM 1902 Views
Awwww! Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:52:19 PM 1846 Views
Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:52 PM 1926 Views
Wha? Nate - 12/07/2010 07:50:44 PM 1954 Views
Re: Wha? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:21 PM 1924 Views
Pff. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:54:54 PM 1926 Views
*NM* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:56:03 PM 1192 Views
When did you pick up this book? Dark Knight - 12/07/2010 11:30:46 PM 1853 Views
I was 10. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:13:44 AM 1995 Views
Ah book orders...man you just brought back nostalgic memories. I miss being a kid Dark Knight - 13/07/2010 04:42:12 AM 2043 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 08:24:02 AM 1917 Views
1999 Camilla - 13/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1912 Views
What do you mean by adult version? aria - 13/07/2010 02:15:40 PM 2046 Views
Re: What do you mean by adult version? Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:17:40 PM 1917 Views
They started publishing copies with 'adult' covers so people wouldn't be caught out reading Chas - 13/07/2010 11:53:46 PM 1957 Views
Just before the first movie came out aria - 13/07/2010 02:17:42 PM 2071 Views
When Prisoner of Azkaban was a hardback. Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:23:57 PM 1932 Views
Got a boxed set for Christmas when Order of the Phoenix came out in hardback. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:06:42 PM 1973 Views
Just after Goblet of Fire was published. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:50:38 PM 2001 Views
Just before Goblet of Fire came out. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:04:21 AM 1956 Views
The first five were out, waited for HBP. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:20:39 AM 2062 Views
You're making me want to talk about toadface Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:06:25 PM 1959 Views
Sorry! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:36:11 AM 2028 Views
Very early. Beginning of 1999, so it had just come out in the States. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/07/2010 08:54:06 AM 1209 Views
I held out quite awhile because I don't like "fads" Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:04:37 PM 1895 Views
Lol! aria - 14/07/2010 08:54:47 PM 1991 Views
I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:39:16 AM 1994 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Deadsy - 15/07/2010 10:01:04 AM 2157 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:44:28 PM 2072 Views
I would have, if I had known there was hype. I know I would have. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:28:50 PM 2068 Views
Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:47:01 PM 2070 Views
I think I was first! Monkey - 23/07/2010 07:05:08 PM 1996 Views
Aged 13 or 14 - a while before the first movie (which was Christmas 2001). *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:13:55 PM 1210 Views
Jesus Christ. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:04:46 PM 2149 Views
^That was me. *NM* Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 1184 Views
I was going to ask if it was. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 1166 Views
Aw. I was just feeling flattered as I didn't think Tor had read that many of my posts. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:15:52 AM 1179 Views
Besides, you've met me, you should know how old I am. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:16:23 AM 1223 Views
I am very bad at guessing age when I meet people in person Camilla - 27/07/2010 09:05:35 AM 2543 Views
Suggestions for the Re-read Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:33:25 AM 1949 Views
I like it so far Camilla - 13/07/2010 10:16:49 AM 1928 Views
I can try that for the next book. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 11:21:01 PM 1928 Views
This is my first official time participating and its been fun so far! StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:16:48 PM 1901 Views
Unfortunately, no. (Silly me, pretending someone's still going to read all my posts... ) *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:20:35 PM 1186 Views
Can we get chapter discussions everyday? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 06:40:30 PM 1142 Views
Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 2291 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 1931 Views
That's nonsense.. fionwe1987 - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 1871 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 1085 Views
What's there to believe? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 1947 Views
Peter + Sirius = family. I don't know how to explain it more simply. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/07/2010 08:58:20 AM 1194 Views
Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 2063 Views
Also Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 2285 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency eucatastrophe - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 1989 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 1855 Views
But Camilla explained it! eucatastrophe - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 2181 Views
Correction Camilla - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 1987 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 1879 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 1889 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 2189 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 1886 Views
That bothers me too. aria - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 1961 Views
Re: That bothers me too. Camilla - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 1829 Views
Yet... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 1900 Views
Re: Yet... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 1931 Views
To quote Dumbledore... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 1824 Views
Again... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 2133 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 1917 Views
Re: Again... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 2115 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 1928 Views
Yet another load of bosh. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 1923 Views
Then let's leave it. Camilla - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 2042 Views
Re: Then let's leave it. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 04:19:35 PM 1931 Views
My two cents Seriana Sedai - 19/07/2010 06:11:30 AM 2003 Views
It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... DomA - 14/09/2010 12:11:20 AM 2400 Views
Re: It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... Camilla - 14/09/2010 09:20:46 AM 1830 Views
You have to wonder if that's actually true. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM 1900 Views
Re: You have to wonder if that's actually true. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:06:43 PM 2120 Views
I don't know that I'd call it "see through Pettigrew"... Legolas - 26/07/2010 06:22:19 PM 1881 Views
^That was me, too. Oh, dear. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:56:43 PM 2107 Views
Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house aria - 18/07/2010 07:14:21 PM 1891 Views
Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house Tor - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 2334 Views
^ And this, too, was me. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 1923 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 1845 Views
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