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I can clarify some stuff for you Dark Knight Send a noteboard - 15/07/2010 09:14:07 PM
I love reading as the kids fight through all the challenges. I like that they thought they needed to do it and did it,

BUT

If they hadn't nosed around and been down there, it is very unlikely Quirrell would have been able to get the stone anyway. That has always bothered me (though yes, I can admit to the fact that they discovered a Big Baddie, and that's good for everyone). Also, what was their plan for not dying? Taking on a super-villain and not knowing Harry was protected by his mother... I dunno. I always feel like I shouldn't pick it apart, but I am bothered.:P


Yes, I have always had a problem with that particular bit as well. Do we ever get a satisfactory explanation for it? I have a nagging feeling Dumbledore mentions it at some point, but that may be wishful thinking.

Edit: I suppose it might be because Dumbledore knows Harry will have to kill Voldemort some day (which probably means nobody else can kill Harry? I was never clear on that point), and the only way he can arrive at that point sooner or later is to take risks and learn by doing from an early age. And if he were to happen to kill Voldemort as 11, then that would be done with at least?


Voldemort had yet to fulfill the entire prophecy when he first was destroyed. So technically anybody could kill Harry. However, when Voldemort took Harry's blood for his resurrection, he anchored Harry to life because mother's sacrifice was still alive. Think of Voldemort as a horcrux for Harry. This explains why either had to die at the hand of the other like it said in the prophecy. This also explains the brief gleam of triumph in Dumbledore's eyes when Harry first tells him of Voldemort taking his blood.
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I was going to ask if it was. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 1089 Views
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This is my first official time participating and its been fun so far! StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:16:48 PM 1758 Views
Unfortunately, no. (Silly me, pretending someone's still going to read all my posts... ) *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:20:35 PM 1125 Views
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Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 2136 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 1791 Views
That's nonsense.. fionwe1987 - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 1719 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 1020 Views
What's there to believe? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 1801 Views
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Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 1929 Views
Also Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 2143 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency eucatastrophe - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 1846 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 1719 Views
But Camilla explained it! eucatastrophe - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 2048 Views
Correction Camilla - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 1834 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 1737 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 1753 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 2047 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 1747 Views
That bothers me too. aria - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 1817 Views
Re: That bothers me too. Camilla - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 1691 Views
Yet... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 1762 Views
Re: Yet... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 1803 Views
To quote Dumbledore... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 1692 Views
Again... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 1989 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 1779 Views
Re: Again... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 1979 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 1801 Views
Yet another load of bosh. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 1780 Views
Then let's leave it. Camilla - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 1883 Views
Re: Then let's leave it. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 04:19:35 PM 1794 Views
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You have to wonder if that's actually true. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM 1754 Views
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Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house Tor - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 2184 Views
^ And this, too, was me. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 1786 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 1718 Views
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