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Then let's leave it. Camilla Send a noteboard - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM
All you've done is waffle on about language not being math and novels not being exact. I've presented many pieces of evidence that support my view, and all you've done is refute them with nonsense like this.


Your "pieces of evidence" are precisely the reason why I started replying to you. They keep contradicting themselves. I wanted to point that out to you.

I'd like to see one single quote from the books that you employed to support your point.


I don't have a "point". I have no stake in this discussion. I am not trying to prove one side. I was trying to see if you could.

You have given a lot of examples which suggest you are right (the main evidence being the quote from Voldemort's pov, which, as I said, is very suggestive of the interpretation you argue for), but no conclusive "proof", despite claiming to. That was my point.

If you haven't read the books recently, and are not even sure you have something to say, on what grounds did you start arguing the point? Is it just a case of, "I don't know what I know, but I'm certain you're wrong"?


I never said I was certain you were wrong. Quite the contrary. From the beginning I made it very clear that I am not sure which explanation fits the best. You, on the other hand, expressed yourself in such clear cut terms of "proof" and "fact", which made me want to know what exactly you were basing it on. "Indications" are not "proof".
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Harry Potter Re-read: The Philosopher's Stone - Final section underway! (& next book plans) Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:27:51 AM 3120 Views
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Characterisation *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:02 AM 945 Views
My thoughts, such as they are. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:09:55 PM 1745 Views
Agree. She gave us enough to make it interesting. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 06:45:46 PM 1713 Views
Re: My thoughts, such as they are. *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:43:49 PM 1683 Views
You hit the nail on the head. Seriana Sedai - 13/07/2010 12:20:19 AM 1643 Views
Re: You hit the nail on the head. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:51:45 AM 1557 Views
Writing style *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 930 Views
A couple of points. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:10:20 PM 1575 Views
It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:18:14 PM 1763 Views
True. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1688 Views
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Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:03:26 AM 1738 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:54:40 AM 1693 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 01:14:01 PM 1751 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 01:15:23 PM 1517 Views
Early themes *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:37 AM 956 Views
Strong vs weak *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:23:45 PM 1529 Views
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Me too. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:30:13 PM 1548 Views
Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 04:58:04 PM 1607 Views
Re: Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:13:13 PM 1612 Views
Yes and, I think, this may be another candidate for early themes (from above) StormCrow - 14/07/2010 07:43:14 PM 1709 Views
Re: Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. aria - 14/07/2010 04:22:54 PM 1747 Views
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Some thoughts before I run off to the library again Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:11:45 PM 1740 Views
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What about the magic? Rebekah - 14/07/2010 08:58:51 AM 1611 Views
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I know, right! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:41:01 AM 1539 Views
Exactly. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:22:18 PM 1445 Views
Re: But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:15:55 AM 1545 Views
Ah, see nossy - 15/07/2010 03:23:49 PM 1506 Views
Chapters 11-17: Harry the Hero *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:30:29 AM 894 Views
What'd you think of the ending? *NM* Rebekah - 15/07/2010 05:21:38 PM 854 Views
Loved it. StormCrow - 15/07/2010 05:56:06 PM 1593 Views
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Haha Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:16:16 PM 1751 Views
Re: Haha Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:24:06 PM 1630 Views
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Ah like vodka vs. wine coolers? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:48:26 PM 842 Views
Gin Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:49:33 PM 1553 Views
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Heresy! Camilla - 15/07/2010 10:55:28 PM 1485 Views
The decades of manipulation of a child doesn't bother you, but the House Cup does? *NM* Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 11:37:54 PM 828 Views
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As I indicated below, I had some issues. Nate - 16/07/2010 03:05:05 AM 1748 Views
Re: As I indicated below, I had some issues. Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:14:56 AM 1626 Views
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Foreshadowing and setting up the future Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1538 Views
Harry's anger management issues? StormCrow - 12/07/2010 07:14:58 PM 1593 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:40:40 PM 1634 Views
Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:14:20 PM 1693 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:55:32 PM 1613 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:02:59 PM 1549 Views
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~smug~ Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:09:15 PM 1612 Views
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On Ginny: Kronin al'Sulc - 12/07/2010 10:36:47 PM 1663 Views
This was my interpretation too and why I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 02:53:08 PM 788 Views
I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:45:28 AM 1864 Views
Re: I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:58:10 AM 1612 Views
So much (chapters 1-3) *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:35:57 PM 1827 Views
Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:38:05 PM 1644 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:39:08 PM 1700 Views
Re: Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:53 PM 1508 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:44:16 PM 1411 Views
Re: Hm. Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:41:12 AM 1523 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:55:09 AM 1496 Views
I missed the school roof thing this time around too! Good catch there. *NM* StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 862 Views
The thing that tipped me off Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:53:01 PM 1602 Views
Imagine how easy his test would have been if he remembered he'd done it as a child! *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:20:27 PM 851 Views
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I re-read a couple weeks ago, and I was highly amused by all the little things she worked in nossy - 14/07/2010 04:09:19 AM 1672 Views
Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 09:18:35 PM 1795 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Deadsy - 14/07/2010 10:30:23 PM 1619 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 10:55:01 PM 1570 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Deadsy - 14/07/2010 11:05:59 PM 1589 Views
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You are a clever cookie. Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:14:25 AM 1596 Views
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Ooh, yes. Cockatiel of Doom - 16/07/2010 12:19:13 AM 1416 Views
More stuff (chapters 12-17) Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:55:34 PM 1482 Views
Re: More stuff (chapters 12-17) Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1545 Views
Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Cockatiel of Doom - 17/07/2010 04:23:15 PM 1677 Views
Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Camilla - 17/07/2010 04:28:04 PM 1588 Views
Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 aria - 17/07/2010 07:12:39 PM 1839 Views
I like it. Thank you. Cockatiel of Doom - 20/07/2010 12:53:37 AM 1750 Views
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I have no idea *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:47:58 PM 1749 Views
I agree... StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:19:59 PM 1778 Views
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It has tons of things in it that every kid dreams of doing Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:56:05 PM 1703 Views
Kid? Camilla - 14/07/2010 02:01:30 PM 1714 Views
so do I. I was just trying to act mature *NM* Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:08:01 PM 1049 Views
Not even just the super stuff Deadsy mentions. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:38:46 PM 1838 Views
It's a simple, well-done little book. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:46:48 PM 1684 Views
you don't read instructions, do you? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:49:24 PM 1751 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:50:23 PM 1669 Views
Re: Heh. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:51:40 PM 1685 Views
Awwww! Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:52:19 PM 1584 Views
Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:52 PM 1705 Views
Wha? Nate - 12/07/2010 07:50:44 PM 1730 Views
Re: Wha? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:21 PM 1714 Views
Pff. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:54:54 PM 1702 Views
*NM* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:56:03 PM 1049 Views
When did you pick up this book? Dark Knight - 12/07/2010 11:30:46 PM 1627 Views
I was 10. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:13:44 AM 1781 Views
Ah book orders...man you just brought back nostalgic memories. I miss being a kid Dark Knight - 13/07/2010 04:42:12 AM 1831 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 08:24:02 AM 1703 Views
1999 Camilla - 13/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1691 Views
What do you mean by adult version? aria - 13/07/2010 02:15:40 PM 1819 Views
Re: What do you mean by adult version? Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:17:40 PM 1679 Views
They started publishing copies with 'adult' covers so people wouldn't be caught out reading Chas - 13/07/2010 11:53:46 PM 1751 Views
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When Prisoner of Azkaban was a hardback. Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:23:57 PM 1698 Views
Got a boxed set for Christmas when Order of the Phoenix came out in hardback. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:06:42 PM 1742 Views
Just after Goblet of Fire was published. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:50:38 PM 1761 Views
Just before Goblet of Fire came out. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:04:21 AM 1722 Views
The first five were out, waited for HBP. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:20:39 AM 1852 Views
You're making me want to talk about toadface Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:06:25 PM 1743 Views
Sorry! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:36:11 AM 1776 Views
Very early. Beginning of 1999, so it had just come out in the States. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/07/2010 08:54:06 AM 1052 Views
I held out quite awhile because I don't like "fads" Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:04:37 PM 1659 Views
Lol! aria - 14/07/2010 08:54:47 PM 1780 Views
I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:39:16 AM 1773 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Deadsy - 15/07/2010 10:01:04 AM 1946 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:44:28 PM 1825 Views
I would have, if I had known there was hype. I know I would have. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:28:50 PM 1793 Views
Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:47:01 PM 1844 Views
I think I was first! Monkey - 23/07/2010 07:05:08 PM 1793 Views
Aged 13 or 14 - a while before the first movie (which was Christmas 2001). *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:13:55 PM 1028 Views
Jesus Christ. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:04:46 PM 1798 Views
^That was me. *NM* Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 1023 Views
I was going to ask if it was. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 1007 Views
Aw. I was just feeling flattered as I didn't think Tor had read that many of my posts. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:15:52 AM 1045 Views
Besides, you've met me, you should know how old I am. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:16:23 AM 1086 Views
I am very bad at guessing age when I meet people in person Camilla - 27/07/2010 09:05:35 AM 2319 Views
Suggestions for the Re-read Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:33:25 AM 1725 Views
I like it so far Camilla - 13/07/2010 10:16:49 AM 1736 Views
I can try that for the next book. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 11:21:01 PM 1711 Views
This is my first official time participating and its been fun so far! StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:16:48 PM 1670 Views
Unfortunately, no. (Silly me, pretending someone's still going to read all my posts... ) *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:20:35 PM 1044 Views
Can we get chapter discussions everyday? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 06:40:30 PM 993 Views
Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 2051 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 1704 Views
That's nonsense.. fionwe1987 - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 1627 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 945 Views
What's there to believe? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 1712 Views
Peter + Sirius = family. I don't know how to explain it more simply. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/07/2010 08:58:20 AM 1066 Views
Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 1840 Views
Also Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 2056 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency eucatastrophe - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 1758 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 1634 Views
But Camilla explained it! eucatastrophe - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 1960 Views
Correction Camilla - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 1743 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 1647 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 1669 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 1965 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 1661 Views
That bothers me too. aria - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 1732 Views
Re: That bothers me too. Camilla - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 1596 Views
Yet... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 1668 Views
Re: Yet... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 1717 Views
To quote Dumbledore... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 1605 Views
Again... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 1906 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 1692 Views
Re: Again... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 1893 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 1709 Views
Yet another load of bosh. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 1694 Views
Then let's leave it. Camilla - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 1794 Views
Re: Then let's leave it. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 04:19:35 PM 1709 Views
My two cents Seriana Sedai - 19/07/2010 06:11:30 AM 1766 Views
It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... DomA - 14/09/2010 12:11:20 AM 2140 Views
Re: It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... Camilla - 14/09/2010 09:20:46 AM 1604 Views
You have to wonder if that's actually true. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM 1668 Views
Re: You have to wonder if that's actually true. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:06:43 PM 1780 Views
I don't know that I'd call it "see through Pettigrew"... Legolas - 26/07/2010 06:22:19 PM 1688 Views
^That was me, too. Oh, dear. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:56:43 PM 1854 Views
Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house aria - 18/07/2010 07:14:21 PM 1654 Views
Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house Tor - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 1975 Views
^ And this, too, was me. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 1697 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 1632 Views
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