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Re: She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say... Camilla Send a noteboard - 28/07/2010 02:15:24 PM
I think she brings an interesting dynamic with her. She is infuriating, yes, but not in the way Dobby is. I keep wondering what her motives are. Is she taunting Harry, seeing how far she can push him, or is she simply drunk and not aware of the effect of her words? It is interesting that she so blithely insults Petunia's sister, for example, and Petunia by extension, in her talk of bad blood.

Part of her - the almost military manner, the strong suggestions that she's a life-long bachelor, her dogs - fits in with a type of woman one encounters at times in British books (not so much in books from elsewhere, though :P ). But generally those women are tough but fair, and think highly of sportsmanship (in sports or elsewhere). McGonagall fits the description almost to a T (funny expression, that), and in books like Enid Blyton's or Agatha Christie's (yes, so I read much more of those than of actual respected literature, sue me :P ) there's tons of these women.


Yes. They tend to be upper-class, though. Marge is decidedly middle class, going by Vernon and Petunia. Although she does wear tweed, which would suggest she might belong in that group of women after all. Hmmm.

But since Marge is Vernon's sister here, Rowling seems to omit the tough-but-fair thing, and gives her a mean and petty streak instead, and lets her cuddle and shamelessly spoil Dudley, which makes for an odd combination with the rest.


Hmmm, yes.

Her motives are unclear as well, I agree. Neither her apparent love for Dudley nor her hate for Harry make too much sense (though obviously Vernon will have told her all kinds of lies about Harry). Some people simply like to pick on others because they're bored or to make conversation, and I guess Rowling made her like that.


I have her pegged as a mean drunk at the moment. She seems to get more vicious the more cognac she imbibes.

I like it when Harry finally takes a stand. In fact, his ``I've had enough!'' had my full support. Usually when Harry stands up for himself/someone else, I am less inclined to support him, as it is clearly the wrong reaction most of the time. But here it was spot on. Not very good for long term planning, of course, but the reaction was appropriate to (and understandable in light of) the provocation. I'll get back to that in the writing style section.

It's definitely an early sign of his troubles keeping his temper under control, which will keep getting him into trouble until very late in the series. He had full justification, but then he often does later as well, that's kind of besides the point. I wonder if Rowling was already planning that to become as big a problem as it does later...


True, although we have already seen it in the first book (not so much in the second?) in his reaction to Snape, especially.

Regarding Harry, I have also always been rather intrigued by how Neville's name is the first to spring to his mind when he is trying to remain incognito. This is interesting in part in view of later revelation that Neville could have had Harry's place if Voldemort had gone for him, but mainly because it offers straaaaaange insights into the deep dark recesses of Harry's subconscious. What those are I am not prepared to say.

Yeah, not very flattering to Neville, that. Harry respects Neville more than most people do, but still not very much yet at this point, I dare say.


Hmmm. Maybe. Do you think that is why he picked his name? Could it be that he identifies with him at this point? That he feels powerless and friendless and that that ties him to Neville in some way?

I wonder what made the Dursleys promise to take Harry back, whether Petunia worked her "he's staying" magic, like she does later (book 5?), or whether they were so desperate to get the strange magical people out of their house they would agree to anything.

I think the Dursleys for all their mistreatment and abuse of Harry are still reluctant to kick their cousin out or refuse to let him come back. It's only when his presence there starts to actually endanger the rest of the family in book five, that kicking him out is on the table.


Probably.

The traits that will make Fudge dangerous later on are there, but only in a rather benevolent state. I am not sure how to explain it better. I'm thinking of how he dismisses the problem of Harry's underage magic and bends the rules in order to get it his way. Because they are helping, rather than hindering, Harry, it is not as salient.

Yeah, his pomposity and patronizing attitude are clear here, as is his tendency to shy away from difficult problems.


Indeed. Of course, we saw his bad side when Hagrid was imprisoned in the last book, so we already know it is there.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - 28/07/2010 12:00:14 PM 3393 Views
Chapters 1-3. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:01:10 PM 1154 Views
Characters. - 28/07/2010 12:03:36 PM 1942 Views
Aunt Marge - 28/07/2010 01:13:34 PM 1837 Views
She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say... - 28/07/2010 01:40:37 PM 2169 Views
Re: She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say... - 28/07/2010 02:15:24 PM 2025 Views
Stan Shunpike. - 28/07/2010 02:01:46 PM 1965 Views
Re: Stan Shunpike. - 28/07/2010 02:19:41 PM 1915 Views
True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 28/07/2010 02:46:38 PM 1857 Views
Re: True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 28/07/2010 02:50:20 PM 1794 Views
If I'm not mistaken - 30/07/2010 04:36:18 PM 1850 Views
Re: True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 07/08/2010 02:53:43 PM 2231 Views
It's not entirely clear, true. - 08/08/2010 02:44:50 PM 1986 Views
Incorrect - 28/07/2010 04:17:09 PM 1899 Views
Re: Incorrect - 28/07/2010 06:11:12 PM 2040 Views
Re: Incorrect - 28/07/2010 06:35:31 PM 1982 Views
Colin Creevey is working class. - 28/07/2010 06:32:45 PM 1884 Views
Correct me if I'm wrong - 28/07/2010 06:38:20 PM 1907 Views
Ah, that's a good point. - 28/07/2010 06:43:00 PM 1824 Views
True - 28/07/2010 06:50:30 PM 1911 Views
Judging by his father's profession, yes. - 28/07/2010 06:53:02 PM 1929 Views
Re: Judging by his father's profession, yes. - 28/07/2010 07:34:41 PM 1770 Views
Right. - 29/07/2010 02:28:34 PM 1897 Views
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Themes, if we can discern any already this early in the book. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:04:47 PM 1087 Views
Guilt v. innocence? Flight? - 28/07/2010 01:16:25 PM 1834 Views
And the beginning of "appearances can be deceiving". - 02/08/2010 11:48:36 PM 1879 Views
First impressions on the news of Sirius Black's escape. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:05:26 PM 1085 Views
Aaaah, Sirius. - 28/07/2010 01:21:32 PM 1954 Views
Re: Aaaah, Sirius. - 28/07/2010 01:44:50 PM 2031 Views
Re: Aaaah, Sirius. - 28/07/2010 02:22:17 PM 1790 Views
I was talking about that, yes, among other things. - 28/07/2010 07:00:08 PM 1787 Views
Re: I was talking about that, yes, among other things. - 28/07/2010 07:03:11 PM 2040 Views
Thats easy really - 28/07/2010 02:05:26 PM 1862 Views
Writing style. - 28/07/2010 12:07:24 PM 1962 Views
It is a better book. - 28/07/2010 02:00:54 PM 1849 Views
Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:09:33 PM 2060 Views
Re: Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:23:03 PM 1995 Views
Re: Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:34:37 PM 1769 Views
Re: Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:36:38 PM 1771 Views
Re: It is a better book. - 03/08/2010 05:53:30 PM 1778 Views
Re: It is a better book. - 03/08/2010 05:59:22 PM 1783 Views
Foreshadowings, details that turn out to be important, etc. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:08:07 PM 1019 Views
That is very well done in this book, I thought. - 28/07/2010 02:08:21 PM 1799 Views
Dont foget the most important foreshadowing! - 28/07/2010 02:15:35 PM 1770 Views
not yet. - 28/07/2010 02:23:28 PM 1749 Views
What am I doing today? I need some more sleep! - 28/07/2010 02:36:54 PM 1774 Views
Re: That is very well done in this book, I thought. - 03/08/2010 05:54:06 PM 1836 Views
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Characters. - 29/07/2010 10:23:28 AM 1803 Views
LupinLupinLupinLupinLupinLupin! - 29/07/2010 11:48:55 AM 1910 Views
Hmmm I'm wondering...is Lupin one of your fav characters? *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:36:20 PM 956 Views
Could be, could be. - 29/07/2010 02:37:41 PM 1844 Views
Well it was subtle so I don't think many people will catch it *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:41:38 PM 991 Views
Subtlety is what I do *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:43:00 PM 979 Views
He is so lovely. - 03/08/2010 06:00:26 PM 1919 Views
Re: He is so lovely. - 03/08/2010 06:10:34 PM 1830 Views
Is it premature to argue Harry's starting to get alienated from Ron and Hermione here? - 30/07/2010 01:48:06 PM 1780 Views
I don't think it's too early. - 30/07/2010 06:26:15 PM 1691 Views
I don't think it's too early to argue that. - 03/08/2010 06:02:17 PM 1944 Views
Themes. *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:24:31 AM 901 Views
Death and fear of death - 29/07/2010 11:51:25 AM 1782 Views
Writing style. - 29/07/2010 10:26:07 AM 1822 Views
"Plotting" might be a more interesting discussion point - 29/07/2010 11:57:20 AM 1931 Views
I was amazed at all the tiny details - 29/07/2010 03:25:08 PM 1715 Views
Re: I was amazed at all the tiny details - 29/07/2010 03:27:04 PM 1808 Views
Introduction of the Dementors. *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:26:59 AM 990 Views
They are Rowling's most terrifying creation - 29/07/2010 12:00:34 PM 1767 Views
Without his knowledge or consent of course *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:31:47 PM 926 Views
Yes - 29/07/2010 02:34:01 PM 1915 Views
I thinking something thats a little off topic - 29/07/2010 02:40:36 PM 1721 Views
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Ooo I didn't think of that! I like you. We can be friends - 29/07/2010 02:47:31 PM 1740 Views
Mission accomplished. - 29/07/2010 02:48:35 PM 1810 Views
Yippee! - 29/07/2010 02:52:16 PM 1727 Views
And among her most original, I'd say. - 30/07/2010 01:53:25 PM 1752 Views
Re: "He's at Hogwarts." - 04/08/2010 11:51:05 PM 1719 Views
Re: "He's at Hogwarts." - 04/08/2010 11:52:55 PM 1872 Views
I don't know the answer, but a good place to look would be... (book 4 spoilers) - 05/08/2010 12:33:20 AM 1748 Views
Indeed, but.... ~spoileriffic for Book 4~ - 05/08/2010 02:19:22 PM 1732 Views
Good point. - 05/08/2010 11:06:10 PM 1797 Views
Chapters 7-9. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:11:59 PM 1123 Views
Characters. - 30/07/2010 02:07:20 PM 1706 Views
Re: Characters. - 30/07/2010 02:50:07 PM 1628 Views
Lupin vs. Snape - 30/07/2010 06:10:07 PM 1709 Views
Re: Lupin vs. Snape - 30/07/2010 06:12:06 PM 1813 Views
Yeah, he knew because of Sirius' little slip. - 30/07/2010 06:27:36 PM 1728 Views
I doubt Sirius had to actually say that it was Lupin though. - 31/07/2010 04:33:38 AM 1798 Views
Indeed - 02/08/2010 10:26:31 AM 1841 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 30/07/2010 02:08:03 PM 875 Views
She is getting good at misdirection - 30/07/2010 02:50:40 PM 1714 Views
Other things you want to comment on. *NM* - 30/07/2010 02:13:36 PM 988 Views
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Good spell and great scene with the Bogart. - 30/07/2010 06:19:16 PM 1758 Views
Agree, especially about Neville - 31/07/2010 06:21:25 AM 1845 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 31/07/2010 09:56:53 AM 987 Views
Yes, excellent scene. - 09/08/2010 08:06:05 PM 1762 Views
Chapters 10-12. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:12:18 PM 898 Views
Characters. - 02/08/2010 12:50:36 PM 1866 Views
Re: Characters. - 02/08/2010 01:36:53 PM 1727 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:50:56 PM 846 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 02/08/2010 01:36:49 PM 1954 Views
I caught that too. - 02/08/2010 02:50:03 PM 1623 Views
I think it's just an unfortunate way of expressing herself. - 02/08/2010 02:53:26 PM 1713 Views
Re: I caught that too. - 02/08/2010 02:53:48 PM 1755 Views
I suspect.... - 03/08/2010 03:17:32 PM 1914 Views
Re: I suspect.... - 03/08/2010 03:22:39 PM 1738 Views
I agree - 03/08/2010 05:25:10 PM 1744 Views
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Mmmkay. - 04/08/2010 02:39:14 PM 1792 Views
Trelawny's Predictions - 02/08/2010 02:56:53 PM 1738 Views
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Other things - the Marauder's Map, background story on Sirius and the Potters,... *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:52:30 PM 978 Views
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What if - 02/08/2010 11:50:28 PM 1573 Views
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Chapters 13-15. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:12:57 PM 980 Views
Characters. - 03/08/2010 05:25:47 PM 1746 Views
Re: Characters. - 03/08/2010 05:29:32 PM 1852 Views
Re: Characters. - 08/08/2010 02:21:17 PM 1743 Views
Re: Characters. - 08/08/2010 02:23:35 PM 1911 Views
OK. I don't like how one-sided the Slytherins are. - 08/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 1844 Views
Agreed. - 08/08/2010 02:37:18 PM 1777 Views
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Re: Agreed. - 08/08/2010 02:49:59 PM 1720 Views
Agreed. - 08/08/2010 03:03:19 PM 1811 Views
Re: 200 people - 09/08/2010 12:09:53 AM 1734 Views
Well. - 09/08/2010 08:21:24 AM 1849 Views
True - 09/08/2010 02:02:52 PM 1853 Views
we were discussing her numbers in the other thread - 12/08/2010 12:49:29 AM 2037 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:26:12 PM 946 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 03/08/2010 05:31:43 PM 1849 Views
Crookshanks. - 08/08/2010 02:22:36 PM 1745 Views
Yes - 08/08/2010 02:25:12 PM 1723 Views
I knew I saw this somewhere. - 09/08/2010 08:16:01 PM 1670 Views
Re: I knew I saw this somewhere. - 09/08/2010 09:01:18 PM 1793 Views
pedant. - 09/08/2010 09:27:25 PM 1834 Views
Did they come out and explain Crookshanks? - 11/08/2010 04:20:18 PM 1858 Views
Re: Did they come out and explain Crookshanks? - 11/08/2010 04:21:37 PM 1655 Views
The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:26:37 PM 968 Views
Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:36:35 PM 1812 Views
Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:48:57 PM 1883 Views
Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:57:06 PM 1778 Views
For Quidditch fans, this is probably the best book. - 03/08/2010 05:38:49 PM 1756 Views
spoilers in headlines, mister! - 03/08/2010 05:43:22 PM 1790 Views
I really enjoyed the first quidditch match. - 03/08/2010 05:40:37 PM 1696 Views
Jordan's commenting is always great. - 03/08/2010 06:00:12 PM 1812 Views
Re: Jordan's commenting is always great. - 03/08/2010 06:18:01 PM 2017 Views
Re: I really enjoyed the first quidditch match. - 03/08/2010 06:02:53 PM 1734 Views
Chapters 16-18. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:11 PM 1002 Views
Characters. - 04/08/2010 04:16:39 PM 1882 Views
Re: Characters. - 04/08/2010 05:18:56 PM 1789 Views
Re. Sirius. - 05/08/2010 02:40:41 PM 1891 Views
Witnessing and getting the truth through to Harry. - 05/08/2010 10:00:34 PM 1786 Views
Hm. - 08/08/2010 02:58:46 PM 1680 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:01:48 PM 1597 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:07:29 PM 1821 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:12:48 PM 1704 Views
OK - 08/08/2010 03:15:10 PM 1745 Views
Re: OK - 08/08/2010 03:16:23 PM 1811 Views
Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 04:18:52 PM 1671 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 05:18:04 PM 1561 Views
Heh. - 08/08/2010 03:05:16 PM 1827 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 04/08/2010 04:19:15 PM 1087 Views
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Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:09:23 PM 1856 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:11:43 PM 1823 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:14:04 PM 1624 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:15:51 PM 1677 Views
Chapters 19-20. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:27 PM 946 Views
Characters. - 05/08/2010 02:40:22 PM 1576 Views
Re: Characters. - 05/08/2010 02:45:53 PM 2082 Views
See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:04:24 PM 2121 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:13:21 PM 1859 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:54:31 PM 2226 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 2036 Views
Something I've only just realized about Snape... (massive book six and seven spoilers) - 05/08/2010 02:53:15 PM 1836 Views
I didn't think of that! Of course you are right! - 05/08/2010 02:58:45 PM 1818 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:40:42 PM 852 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 05/08/2010 02:48:02 PM 2004 Views
I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:09:59 PM 1801 Views
Re: I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:16:37 PM 1790 Views
Ah, yes, my bad. - 05/08/2010 04:02:26 PM 1716 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:41:01 PM 898 Views
killing - 05/08/2010 02:48:33 PM 1645 Views
Yeah, I noted the same thing. (spoilers for rest of series) - 05/08/2010 03:12:15 PM 1885 Views
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Chapters 21-22. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:42 PM 915 Views
And for the last time in this book... characters? *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:03:30 PM 969 Views
Re: And for the last time in this book... characters? - 06/08/2010 06:26:23 PM 1768 Views
Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 05:04:14 PM 1606 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 06:27:54 PM 1622 Views
I normally don't care for time travel. - 07/08/2010 01:20:13 AM 1864 Views
And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:04:46 PM 1001 Views
Re: And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. - 06/08/2010 06:28:40 PM 1745 Views
I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 01:23:02 AM 1955 Views
Re: I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 08:49:50 AM 1744 Views
Overall thoughts. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:14:03 PM 980 Views
Character development. - 28/07/2010 01:17:20 PM 1683 Views
Harry develops by leaps and bounds - 28/07/2010 02:13:10 PM 1689 Views
Overarching plot and themes. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:18:27 PM 914 Views
Things Are Not What They Seem - 01/08/2010 11:15:23 PM 1675 Views
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How good a book is this - compared to the rest of the series, and compared to YA books in general? *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:19:06 PM 993 Views
I'd say it is one of the best in the series - 02/08/2010 10:23:49 AM 1667 Views
Absolutely. - 05/08/2010 08:15:20 PM 1838 Views
More of a question, really - 01/08/2010 10:40:23 PM 1711 Views
I think this is situational and a sad commentary on his home life. - 02/08/2010 03:01:49 PM 1560 Views
Well, but the question still remains - 02/08/2010 03:04:01 PM 1672 Views
Oh, got it. - 02/08/2010 03:12:47 PM 1764 Views
Ah, interesting - 02/08/2010 03:50:41 PM 1803 Views
The problem came down to actually doing the work. - 02/08/2010 03:54:21 PM 1722 Views
I never had any. - 03/08/2010 03:25:07 PM 1667 Views
I'm finding this one more difficult to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:38:01 PM 1730 Views
Apparently you are not alone in that. - 03/08/2010 05:48:13 PM 1874 Views
I suppose this is more or less the right place for this. - 04/08/2010 11:59:45 PM 1809 Views
Hehehe - 05/08/2010 12:14:38 AM 1741 Views
I had totally forgotten about that choir and the Ray Bradbury reference. - 05/08/2010 12:37:09 AM 1654 Views
Okay, so possibly a Shakespeare reference also used by Bradbury. Whatever. *NM* - 05/08/2010 12:37:56 AM 909 Views
Possibly? It's the witches in Macbeth. *NM* - 05/08/2010 08:36:20 AM 897 Views
Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 06:46:26 PM 1656 Views
Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 07:16:37 PM 1870 Views
Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 07:57:02 PM 1700 Views
Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 08:00:01 PM 1763 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. - 28/07/2010 06:14:49 PM 1863 Views
I was wondering when this would come up - 28/07/2010 06:39:01 PM 1690 Views
I knew I was gonna forget something. - 28/07/2010 06:55:50 PM 1800 Views
Perhaps - 29/07/2010 09:29:53 AM 1743 Views
I considered that, but it seemed overly non-trusting, and nobody has posted in them yet? *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:12:23 AM 810 Views
Yet - 29/07/2010 10:13:44 AM 1777 Views
<Tattoos "Poor Impulse Control" on your forehead> - 29/07/2010 11:00:07 AM 1818 Views
I may be missing a reference - 29/07/2010 11:03:47 AM 1680 Views
The villain is a huge Aleutian man with such a tattoo. *NM* - 29/07/2010 11:09:30 AM 928 Views
I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:46:13 PM 1788 Views
Re: I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:59:20 PM 1719 Views
I think I should make clear, just in case, that I don't mean immediately. - 03/08/2010 05:11:26 PM 1673 Views
Yes - 03/08/2010 05:13:10 PM 1686 Views
Your patience is admirable. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:15:45 PM 886 Views
There are no words *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:16:51 PM 985 Views

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