Firstly, I completely agree that there should be no sacred cows and Tolkien can be criticized as much as any author. (Ah! You see, I didn't mean what I said on the topic title.)
That said, Paul Smith's real point seems to be about the way "fans" react to anti-Tolkien criticism. He points to the thread on MJH in Westeros, as well as your post about Borges on Tolkien. He fails to read the umpteen threads where Tolkien is criticized, and no one is crying murder.
Case in point, there's a thread on "Black and White vs. shades of Grey", which talks about morality in fantasy. Tolkien has come in for some sharp criticism there, while others have shown appreciation for his work.
What's the difference between the reaction to these criticisms and the anger with which most boards have reacted to the essays of Richard Morgan, MJH, Moorcock, etc.?
The answer is fairly easy. Just look at the titles of these essays:
Richard Morgan: The Real Fantastic Stuff.
Micheal Moorcock: Epic Pooh.
M. John Harrison: The clomping foot of nerdism.
These authors have not only criticized Tolkien's work (Which they have a perfect right to do), but done so in a way that is bound to cause a reaction. There's this sense of bitterness that comes through, and they go way beyond just raising objective points against the novels.
Look at Richard Morgan:
Well, I guess it’s called fantasy for a reason.
I only wonder why on earth anyone (adult) would want to read something like that.
And I’ve written a fantasy novel for all those adults who wouldn’t.
Hope you like it.
What is a reader to glean from this? What's the point of insulting the taste of people who read and enjoy Tolkien? What's the point of discussing world-building in fantasy in tones of abject horror and making doomsday predictions?
I've seen time and again that merely disliking Tolkien is not enough. Many a high-profile critic will go the extra step, go on a rampage, try to rip the novel to shreds.
To me, these histrionics seem designed to inflame arguments. Surely these guys know that writing in those terms is bound to attract the attention of knee-jerk Tolkien apologists? Why not stick to the point?
Since they fail to do so, I've never felt there's any need to defend them. I suspect they're getting exactly what they wanted in these long threads on various discussion boards.
EDIT: Which brings us back to the title of my post. I'm taking a leaf from their book.
That said, Paul Smith's real point seems to be about the way "fans" react to anti-Tolkien criticism. He points to the thread on MJH in Westeros, as well as your post about Borges on Tolkien. He fails to read the umpteen threads where Tolkien is criticized, and no one is crying murder.
Case in point, there's a thread on "Black and White vs. shades of Grey", which talks about morality in fantasy. Tolkien has come in for some sharp criticism there, while others have shown appreciation for his work.
What's the difference between the reaction to these criticisms and the anger with which most boards have reacted to the essays of Richard Morgan, MJH, Moorcock, etc.?
The answer is fairly easy. Just look at the titles of these essays:
Richard Morgan: The Real Fantastic Stuff.
Micheal Moorcock: Epic Pooh.
M. John Harrison: The clomping foot of nerdism.
These authors have not only criticized Tolkien's work (Which they have a perfect right to do), but done so in a way that is bound to cause a reaction. There's this sense of bitterness that comes through, and they go way beyond just raising objective points against the novels.
Look at Richard Morgan:
Well, I guess it’s called fantasy for a reason.
I only wonder why on earth anyone (adult) would want to read something like that.
And I’ve written a fantasy novel for all those adults who wouldn’t.
Hope you like it.
What is a reader to glean from this? What's the point of insulting the taste of people who read and enjoy Tolkien? What's the point of discussing world-building in fantasy in tones of abject horror and making doomsday predictions?
I've seen time and again that merely disliking Tolkien is not enough. Many a high-profile critic will go the extra step, go on a rampage, try to rip the novel to shreds.
To me, these histrionics seem designed to inflame arguments. Surely these guys know that writing in those terms is bound to attract the attention of knee-jerk Tolkien apologists? Why not stick to the point?
Since they fail to do so, I've never felt there's any need to defend them. I suspect they're getting exactly what they wanted in these long threads on various discussion boards.
EDIT: Which brings us back to the title of my post. I'm taking a leaf from their book.
This message last edited by fionwe1987 on 29/07/2010 at 03:31:08 AM
Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy
28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM
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Nonsense, at least in part
28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM
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I know there is a polite difference of opinion here
28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM
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Have to agree.
28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM
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It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big.
29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM
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*cough* Twilight *cough*
29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM
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I was gonna mention that one too.
29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM
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Mmm. I read an interesting article actually...
29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM
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That's a fair point, I guess...
29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM
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mmm, except it's relevant to Bella too.
29/07/2010 10:43:03 PM
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That's my point, it's pretty much only relevant to Bella - only there is it shown prominently. *NM*
29/07/2010 10:59:54 PM
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Of course, since she's the main character, it matters rather a lot, yes? *NM*
30/07/2010 09:39:07 AM
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How much do you have to read to form an opinion?
29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM
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To the end
29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM
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my reading time is too scarce to think that way
29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM
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I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading
29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM
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and I will
29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM
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The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM*
29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM
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He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now
29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM
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It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older
29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM
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well you have not failed completely
29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM
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Re: well you have not failed completely
29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM
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one quick question
29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM
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how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books?
29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM
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None of them are "geared towards grown ups" - it's still a YA series.
29/07/2010 07:03:24 PM
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They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers.
29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM
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Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big.
29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM
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it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy.
29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM
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I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint.
29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM
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I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored...
29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM
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I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch.
28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM
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I completely agree that there should be no sacred cows, and that applies to Tolkien.
28/07/2010 11:13:39 PM
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all art forms have sacred cows
29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM
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Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh.
29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM
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All Tolkien-haters are morons.
29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM
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Disappointing.
29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM
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I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien.
30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM
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I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works.
30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM
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