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The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works lyringlas Send a noteboard - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM
IIRC from my research project circa 7th grade on JRRTolkien, he approached numerous publishers with The Silmarillion and always was rejected. Finally, he gave up trying to get it published and that is when The Hobbit was brought to light. Wasn't the original Silmarillion publication done just a year or so after his death? Christopher Tolkien couldn't have been working on collecting everything together before his dad even died in order to make his dad's life-work a cash cow. Granted, this has happened more recently, with all of the extras: Hurin, Sigurd, etc; but I definitely don't think this was the case with, The Silmarillion.
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Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy Larry - 28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM 1600 Views
Nonsense, at least in part Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM 1168 Views
I know there is a polite difference of opinion here Larry - 28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM 979 Views
So we should judge the Iliad against modren fantasy novels? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:04:32 PM 993 Views
i agree, and furthermore... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM 1071 Views
Re: I know there is a polite difference of opinion here dacole - 29/07/2010 08:44:24 PM 995 Views
Mno Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:07:18 AM 1078 Views
Have to agree. Seriana Sedai - 28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM 1064 Views
It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. Tim - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM 882 Views
*cough* Twilight *cough* Ghavrel - 29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM 920 Views
I was gonna mention that one too. Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM 995 Views
Mmm. I read an interesting article actually... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM 812 Views
That's a fair point, I guess... Legolas - 29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM 1024 Views
mmm, except it's relevant to Bella too. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:03 PM 905 Views
That's my point, it's pretty much only relevant to Bella - only there is it shown prominently. *NM* Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:59:54 PM 457 Views
Of course, since she's the main character, it matters rather a lot, yes? *NM* Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:39:07 AM 443 Views
It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM 1011 Views
Fair enough. Legolas - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM 1015 Views
Also: the writing is crap. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 01:04:12 PM 963 Views
but plenty of us hate it after reading *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:35 PM 426 Views
How much do you have to read to form an opinion? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM 969 Views
To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM 845 Views
my reading time is too scarce to think that way random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM 1049 Views
I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM 1013 Views
and I will random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM 748 Views
that's fair enough then LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:57 PM 814 Views
so I hear random thoughts - 29/07/2010 11:13:09 PM 780 Views
Re: To the end dacole - 29/07/2010 08:49:06 PM 889 Views
Re: To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:34:44 PM 805 Views
Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? Legolas - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM 996 Views
The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM* Dark Knight - 29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM 513 Views
He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now Lordling - 29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM 835 Views
It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM 798 Views
well you have not failed completely random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM 791 Views
Re: well you have not failed completely Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM 833 Views
one quick question random thoughts - 29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM 883 Views
Re: one quick question Camilla - 29/07/2010 07:42:27 PM 914 Views
well I am not a big enough hypocrite to look down on verbosity random thoughts - 29/07/2010 08:30:56 PM 831 Views
I have a new essay I want you to read Larry - 29/07/2010 07:44:40 PM 940 Views
Re: I have a new essay I want you to read Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:42:05 PM 907 Views
how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM 825 Views
Book 3 is the beginning of the adult ones, imo. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 06:44:07 PM 912 Views
Agreed, although, Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:54:14 PM 881 Views
None of them are "geared towards grown ups" - it's still a YA series. Legolas - 29/07/2010 07:03:24 PM 808 Views
They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM 792 Views
Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. dacole - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM 933 Views
it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM 914 Views
I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 867 Views
I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored... random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM 1009 Views
lol. it's hard to fail with such low preliminary standards *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:46:07 PM 451 Views
good points, i bow to your wisdom LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:45:29 PM 800 Views
Oh, agreed. Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:05:17 AM 940 Views
Incidentall Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:39:52 PM 911 Views
Ha! Larry - 28/07/2010 10:41:41 PM 1035 Views
Re: Ha! Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:45:38 PM 914 Views
Ah Larry - 28/07/2010 10:49:22 PM 985 Views
I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch. Legolas - 28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM 992 Views
I can see your points there Larry - 28/07/2010 11:18:59 PM 895 Views
I completely agree that there should be no sacred cows, and that applies to Tolkien. Tom - 28/07/2010 11:13:39 PM 904 Views
I grow weary of people refusing to view LotR in context. Ghavrel - 28/07/2010 11:14:07 PM 936 Views
all art forms have sacred cows random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM 1003 Views
Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh. Gher - 29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM 893 Views
women deserve black lung too!! LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:35:17 PM 784 Views
nah the smart ones do like my grandmother did random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:15:14 PM 863 Views
All Tolkien-haters are morons. fionwe1987 - 29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM 1149 Views
Disappointing. Werthead - 29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM 954 Views
Re: Disappointing. Camilla - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM 876 Views
Probably in the sense... Jacob - 29/07/2010 02:57:47 PM 849 Views
Perhaps more of 'a complication' to good discussion. Werthead - 29/07/2010 08:28:59 PM 795 Views
agreed. *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:32:36 PM 434 Views
I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien. Tom - 30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM 1200 Views
The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works lyringlas - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM 1274 Views
No it wasn't. Tom - 30/07/2010 06:37:19 PM 926 Views
Re: Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy dacole - 29/07/2010 08:42:04 PM 949 Views
I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. everynametaken - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM 954 Views
This. *NM* Dan - 30/07/2010 07:43:24 PM 1038 Views
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