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Re: Disappointing. Camilla Send a noteboard - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM
Not the analysis itself, which is sound (if overly familiar), but the fact that, yet again, someone starts talking about 'Tolkien' as an author but then only mentions THE LORD OF THE RINGS in isolation. If it was an essay about LORD OF THE RINGS by itself, that would be fine, but given the point of the article seems to be an assessment of why people think Tolkien is a 'sacred cow' of a writer and why that is not a good idea when the work is flawed (and indeed it is, as all works are), then his full oeuvre needs to be considered, with particular reference to THE SILMARILLION.

Of course, it is important that critics don't mention THE SILMARILLION, as then their usual standbys (Tolkien has inert female characters! Tolkien isn't dark enough!) go flying out the window. Naturally, that book shouldn't be a sacred cow either, and is certainly not flawless (its biggest flaw being that it is very hard to classify), but it would be nice if someone even tried to mention it in one of these things.


Baing hard to classify is a flaw?
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Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy - 28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM 1919 Views
Nonsense, at least in part - 28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM 1525 Views
I know there is a polite difference of opinion here - 28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM 1292 Views
So we should judge the Iliad against modren fantasy novels? - 29/07/2010 12:04:32 PM 1324 Views
i agree, and furthermore... - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM 1393 Views
Re: I know there is a polite difference of opinion here - 29/07/2010 08:44:24 PM 1363 Views
Mno - 30/07/2010 09:07:18 AM 1408 Views
Have to agree. - 28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM 1404 Views
It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM 1189 Views
*cough* Twilight *cough* - 29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM 1277 Views
I was gonna mention that one too. - 29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM 1369 Views
Mmm. I read an interesting article actually... - 29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM 1144 Views
That's a fair point, I guess... - 29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM 1382 Views
It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM 1357 Views
Fair enough. - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM 1391 Views
Also: the writing is crap. - 29/07/2010 01:04:12 PM 1319 Views
but plenty of us hate it after reading *NM* - 29/07/2010 08:24:35 PM 553 Views
How much do you have to read to form an opinion? - 29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM 1294 Views
To the end - 29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM 1190 Views
my reading time is too scarce to think that way - 29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM 1354 Views
I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading - 29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM 1371 Views
and I will - 29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM 1104 Views
that's fair enough then - 29/07/2010 10:43:57 PM 1138 Views
so I hear - 29/07/2010 11:13:09 PM 1105 Views
Re: To the end - 29/07/2010 08:49:06 PM 1224 Views
Re: To the end - 29/07/2010 10:34:44 PM 1145 Views
Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM 1361 Views
The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM* - 29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM 655 Views
He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now - 29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM 1162 Views
It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older - 29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM 1144 Views
well you have not failed completely - 29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM 1122 Views
Re: well you have not failed completely - 29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM 1163 Views
one quick question - 29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM 1195 Views
Re: one quick question - 29/07/2010 07:42:27 PM 1229 Views
well I am not a big enough hypocrite to look down on verbosity - 29/07/2010 08:30:56 PM 1128 Views
I have a new essay I want you to read - 29/07/2010 07:44:40 PM 1262 Views
Re: I have a new essay I want you to read - 29/07/2010 10:42:05 PM 1221 Views
how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books? - 29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM 1125 Views
Book 3 is the beginning of the adult ones, imo. - 29/07/2010 06:44:07 PM 1232 Views
Agreed, although, - 29/07/2010 06:54:14 PM 1204 Views
None of them are "geared towards grown ups" - it's still a YA series. - 29/07/2010 07:03:24 PM 1142 Views
They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers. - 29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM 1133 Views
Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM 1260 Views
it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy. - 29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM 1238 Views
I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint. - 29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 1188 Views
I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored... - 29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM 1358 Views
lol. it's hard to fail with such low preliminary standards *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:46:07 PM 596 Views
good points, i bow to your wisdom - 29/07/2010 10:45:29 PM 1144 Views
Oh, agreed. - 30/07/2010 09:05:17 AM 1263 Views
Incidentall - 28/07/2010 10:39:52 PM 1237 Views
Ha! - 28/07/2010 10:41:41 PM 1396 Views
Re: Ha! - 28/07/2010 10:45:38 PM 1232 Views
Ah - 28/07/2010 10:49:22 PM 1278 Views
I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch. - 28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM 1335 Views
I can see your points there - 28/07/2010 11:18:59 PM 1266 Views
I grow weary of people refusing to view LotR in context. - 28/07/2010 11:14:07 PM 1262 Views
all art forms have sacred cows - 29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM 1332 Views
Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh. - 29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM 1196 Views
women deserve black lung too!! - 29/07/2010 08:35:17 PM 1109 Views
nah the smart ones do like my grandmother did - 29/07/2010 09:15:14 PM 1182 Views
All Tolkien-haters are morons. - 29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM 1503 Views
Disappointing. - 29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM 1301 Views
Re: Disappointing. - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM 1259 Views
Probably in the sense... - 29/07/2010 02:57:47 PM 1149 Views
Perhaps more of 'a complication' to good discussion. - 29/07/2010 08:28:59 PM 1113 Views
agreed. *NM* - 29/07/2010 08:32:36 PM 571 Views
I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien. - 30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM 1508 Views
The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM 1623 Views
No it wasn't. - 30/07/2010 06:37:19 PM 1305 Views
Re: Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy - 29/07/2010 08:42:04 PM 1306 Views
I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM 1329 Views
This. *NM* - 30/07/2010 07:43:24 PM 1379 Views

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