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"Plotting" might be a more interesting discussion point Camilla Send a noteboard - 29/07/2010 11:57:20 AM
and foreshadowings and important details.

That Harry might conceivably want to go after Black, for example. Rowling is better at scattering enigmas around her book this time around, I feel. She drops cryptic hints without the use of stupid Dobby, which is of course an improvement. This particular one is oblique enough that it doesn't give anything away (it could even be interpreted as simply a misunderstanding of why Harry always ends up in trouble, which is how Harry undestands it -- I think this was the book when I finally got hammered into my scull that if Harry thinks something it is bound to be wrong). But it promises much and is confirmed later.

I also really like how ``He's at Hogwarts'' is introduced as a snare: it is interpreted wrongly (and plausibly) by the characters, but in retrospect the words have an entirely different meaning). This is what Rowling has understood in this book, and never really mastered in the earlier ones. Her plotting has improved a lot. There are red herrings flying all over the place. Red herrings for red herrings, and then proper red herrings that you think are real because you think you have spotted the red herring that was only a mock red herring. Too many herrings? Sorry.

Or how the sneakscope keeps going off when Scabbers is around, but not in an obvious way at all.

And the Shrieking Shack is introduced innocuously.

Hermione's timetable, as well, which is set up to allow the solution at the end. It is not terribly subtle, but it serves an enigma for the first time reader to wonder about (I did not guess it the first time, but I think we've established I am dreadfully slow when it comes to that sort of thing).

Snape: His expression towards Lupin at the feast is interesting. Rowling keeps serving up indications that Snape might be trying to kill Lupin, and this is the first of them. Of course, the fact that the expression is exactly the same as the one he wears when looking at Harry is in retrospect a clue.

But the writings style as well, it seems more playful in this book than it did in the last, despite the book being darker as a whole perhaps. I love the mirror in the Leaky Cauldron:

`I'm not going to be murdered,'Harry said out loud.
`That's the spirit, dear,' said the mirror sleepily.


Rowling seems to have rediscovered the fun she could have with a magical world, which was very present in the first, but got somehow lost in the second book.

It also shows up in the discussion of magical books in Diagon Alley. She is having fun. I am not such a fan of Hagrid's monster book, but I like the small references to the invisible book and the fact that all divination books (except the one Harry buys) hve pessimistic titles.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - 28/07/2010 12:00:14 PM 3548 Views
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She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say... - 28/07/2010 01:40:37 PM 2320 Views
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Stan Shunpike. - 28/07/2010 02:01:46 PM 2111 Views
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True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 28/07/2010 02:46:38 PM 2019 Views
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Colin Creevey is working class. - 28/07/2010 06:32:45 PM 2027 Views
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Judging by his father's profession, yes. - 28/07/2010 06:53:02 PM 2076 Views
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Re: Aaaah, Sirius. - 28/07/2010 02:22:17 PM 1926 Views
I was talking about that, yes, among other things. - 28/07/2010 07:00:08 PM 1940 Views
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Writing style. - 28/07/2010 12:07:24 PM 2118 Views
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Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:09:33 PM 2217 Views
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Foreshadowings, details that turn out to be important, etc. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:08:07 PM 1092 Views
That is very well done in this book, I thought. - 28/07/2010 02:08:21 PM 1937 Views
Dont foget the most important foreshadowing! - 28/07/2010 02:15:35 PM 1947 Views
not yet. - 28/07/2010 02:23:28 PM 1882 Views
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LupinLupinLupinLupinLupinLupin! - 29/07/2010 11:48:55 AM 2044 Views
Hmmm I'm wondering...is Lupin one of your fav characters? *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:36:20 PM 1033 Views
Could be, could be. - 29/07/2010 02:37:41 PM 1993 Views
Well it was subtle so I don't think many people will catch it *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:41:38 PM 1075 Views
Subtlety is what I do *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:43:00 PM 1053 Views
He is so lovely. - 03/08/2010 06:00:26 PM 2100 Views
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Is it premature to argue Harry's starting to get alienated from Ron and Hermione here? - 30/07/2010 01:48:06 PM 1925 Views
I don't think it's too early. - 30/07/2010 06:26:15 PM 1864 Views
I don't think it's too early to argue that. - 03/08/2010 06:02:17 PM 2081 Views
Themes. *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:24:31 AM 976 Views
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"Plotting" might be a more interesting discussion point - 29/07/2010 11:57:20 AM 2100 Views
I was amazed at all the tiny details - 29/07/2010 03:25:08 PM 1840 Views
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Introduction of the Dementors. *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:26:59 AM 1065 Views
They are Rowling's most terrifying creation - 29/07/2010 12:00:34 PM 1920 Views
Without his knowledge or consent of course *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:31:47 PM 1006 Views
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I thinking something thats a little off topic - 29/07/2010 02:40:36 PM 1864 Views
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And among her most original, I'd say. - 30/07/2010 01:53:25 PM 1917 Views
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I don't know the answer, but a good place to look would be... (book 4 spoilers) - 05/08/2010 12:33:20 AM 1894 Views
Indeed, but.... ~spoileriffic for Book 4~ - 05/08/2010 02:19:22 PM 1872 Views
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Yeah, he knew because of Sirius' little slip. - 30/07/2010 06:27:36 PM 1887 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 30/07/2010 02:08:03 PM 940 Views
She is getting good at misdirection - 30/07/2010 02:50:40 PM 1874 Views
Other things you want to comment on. *NM* - 30/07/2010 02:13:36 PM 1068 Views
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Good spell and great scene with the Bogart. - 30/07/2010 06:19:16 PM 1910 Views
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Characters. - 02/08/2010 12:50:36 PM 2027 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:50:56 PM 914 Views
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I caught that too. - 02/08/2010 02:50:03 PM 1753 Views
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I suspect.... - 03/08/2010 03:17:32 PM 2067 Views
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Other things - the Marauder's Map, background story on Sirius and the Potters,... *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:52:30 PM 1049 Views
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Chapters 13-15. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:12:57 PM 1048 Views
Characters. - 03/08/2010 05:25:47 PM 1886 Views
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OK. I don't like how one-sided the Slytherins are. - 08/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 1980 Views
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Agreed. - 08/08/2010 03:03:19 PM 1973 Views
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we were discussing her numbers in the other thread - 12/08/2010 12:49:29 AM 2176 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:26:12 PM 1025 Views
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Crookshanks. - 08/08/2010 02:22:36 PM 1885 Views
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I knew I saw this somewhere. - 09/08/2010 08:16:01 PM 1821 Views
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pedant. - 09/08/2010 09:27:25 PM 1989 Views
Did they come out and explain Crookshanks? - 11/08/2010 04:20:18 PM 2013 Views
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The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:26:37 PM 1044 Views
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Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:48:57 PM 2051 Views
Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:57:06 PM 1936 Views
For Quidditch fans, this is probably the best book. - 03/08/2010 05:38:49 PM 1904 Views
spoilers in headlines, mister! - 03/08/2010 05:43:22 PM 1936 Views
I really enjoyed the first quidditch match. - 03/08/2010 05:40:37 PM 1835 Views
Jordan's commenting is always great. - 03/08/2010 06:00:12 PM 1960 Views
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Re: I really enjoyed the first quidditch match. - 03/08/2010 06:02:53 PM 1906 Views
Chapters 16-18. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:11 PM 1078 Views
Characters. - 04/08/2010 04:16:39 PM 2034 Views
Re: Characters. - 04/08/2010 05:18:56 PM 1952 Views
Re. Sirius. - 05/08/2010 02:40:41 PM 2030 Views
Witnessing and getting the truth through to Harry. - 05/08/2010 10:00:34 PM 1929 Views
Hm. - 08/08/2010 02:58:46 PM 1835 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:01:48 PM 1747 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:07:29 PM 1969 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:12:48 PM 1865 Views
OK - 08/08/2010 03:15:10 PM 1898 Views
Re: OK - 08/08/2010 03:16:23 PM 1970 Views
Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 04:18:52 PM 1850 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 05:18:04 PM 1705 Views
Heh. - 08/08/2010 03:05:16 PM 1981 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 04/08/2010 04:19:15 PM 1158 Views
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Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:09:23 PM 2006 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:11:43 PM 1969 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:14:04 PM 1777 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:15:51 PM 1841 Views
Chapters 19-20. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:27 PM 1025 Views
Characters. - 05/08/2010 02:40:22 PM 1720 Views
Re: Characters. - 05/08/2010 02:45:53 PM 2243 Views
See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:04:24 PM 2296 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:13:21 PM 2014 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:54:31 PM 2362 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 2178 Views
Something I've only just realized about Snape... (massive book six and seven spoilers) - 05/08/2010 02:53:15 PM 2011 Views
I didn't think of that! Of course you are right! - 05/08/2010 02:58:45 PM 1968 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:40:42 PM 937 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 05/08/2010 02:48:02 PM 2164 Views
I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:09:59 PM 1939 Views
Re: I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:16:37 PM 1941 Views
Ah, yes, my bad. - 05/08/2010 04:02:26 PM 1867 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:41:01 PM 981 Views
killing - 05/08/2010 02:48:33 PM 1823 Views
Yeah, I noted the same thing. (spoilers for rest of series) - 05/08/2010 03:12:15 PM 2046 Views
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Chapters 21-22. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:42 PM 985 Views
And for the last time in this book... characters? *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:03:30 PM 1047 Views
Re: And for the last time in this book... characters? - 06/08/2010 06:26:23 PM 1914 Views
Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 05:04:14 PM 1747 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 06:27:54 PM 1767 Views
I normally don't care for time travel. - 07/08/2010 01:20:13 AM 2004 Views
And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:04:46 PM 1069 Views
Re: And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. - 06/08/2010 06:28:40 PM 1877 Views
I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 01:23:02 AM 2122 Views
Re: I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 08:49:50 AM 1886 Views
Overall thoughts. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:14:03 PM 1059 Views
Character development. - 28/07/2010 01:17:20 PM 1823 Views
Harry develops by leaps and bounds - 28/07/2010 02:13:10 PM 1827 Views
Overarching plot and themes. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:18:27 PM 998 Views
Things Are Not What They Seem - 01/08/2010 11:15:23 PM 1807 Views
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How good a book is this - compared to the rest of the series, and compared to YA books in general? *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:19:06 PM 1073 Views
I'd say it is one of the best in the series - 02/08/2010 10:23:49 AM 1812 Views
Absolutely. - 05/08/2010 08:15:20 PM 1983 Views
More of a question, really - 01/08/2010 10:40:23 PM 1857 Views
I think this is situational and a sad commentary on his home life. - 02/08/2010 03:01:49 PM 1699 Views
Well, but the question still remains - 02/08/2010 03:04:01 PM 1817 Views
Oh, got it. - 02/08/2010 03:12:47 PM 1908 Views
Ah, interesting - 02/08/2010 03:50:41 PM 1948 Views
The problem came down to actually doing the work. - 02/08/2010 03:54:21 PM 1875 Views
I never had any. - 03/08/2010 03:25:07 PM 1791 Views
I'm finding this one more difficult to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:38:01 PM 1870 Views
Apparently you are not alone in that. - 03/08/2010 05:48:13 PM 2006 Views
I suppose this is more or less the right place for this. - 04/08/2010 11:59:45 PM 1969 Views
Hehehe - 05/08/2010 12:14:38 AM 1879 Views
I had totally forgotten about that choir and the Ray Bradbury reference. - 05/08/2010 12:37:09 AM 1790 Views
Okay, so possibly a Shakespeare reference also used by Bradbury. Whatever. *NM* - 05/08/2010 12:37:56 AM 982 Views
Possibly? It's the witches in Macbeth. *NM* - 05/08/2010 08:36:20 AM 974 Views
Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 06:46:26 PM 1800 Views
Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 07:16:37 PM 2011 Views
Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 07:57:02 PM 1831 Views
Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 08:00:01 PM 1908 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. - 28/07/2010 06:14:49 PM 2009 Views
I was wondering when this would come up - 28/07/2010 06:39:01 PM 1838 Views
I knew I was gonna forget something. - 28/07/2010 06:55:50 PM 1945 Views
Perhaps - 29/07/2010 09:29:53 AM 1878 Views
I considered that, but it seemed overly non-trusting, and nobody has posted in them yet? *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:12:23 AM 878 Views
Yet - 29/07/2010 10:13:44 AM 1928 Views
<Tattoos "Poor Impulse Control" on your forehead> - 29/07/2010 11:00:07 AM 1970 Views
I may be missing a reference - 29/07/2010 11:03:47 AM 1834 Views
The villain is a huge Aleutian man with such a tattoo. *NM* - 29/07/2010 11:09:30 AM 1010 Views
I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:46:13 PM 1957 Views
Re: I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:59:20 PM 1865 Views
I think I should make clear, just in case, that I don't mean immediately. - 03/08/2010 05:11:26 PM 1818 Views
Yes - 03/08/2010 05:13:10 PM 1811 Views
Your patience is admirable. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:15:45 PM 966 Views
There are no words *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:16:51 PM 1057 Views

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