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Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? Legolas Send a noteboard - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM
When I tell people I read half the first book but found it to basically a run of the mill if somewhat long children’s book they tell me I have to keep reading it because it gets better. Half a book seemed sufficient to me form an opinion, I shouldn’t be forced to read a thousand pages of practice writing before I get to something worth reading. And for the all the talk about how many adult fans the series has must of the people I know who love the books starting reading them before they turned 20. The story may grow with the kids but I was already a grown up when it started.

The series as a whole is not brilliant or a genuine masterpiece, but I think it's fair to say it's very good. And yes, one reason why it's so good is the masterful way in which Rowling let the series grow with the readers. The first book is a children's book, better than average but nothing really spectacular, you're quite right.

I also certainly agree that the hype helped, it always does. But hypes also tend to have the opposite effect - that they lead other people to think disdainfully about the book or series without even having read it. Some people seem to think that a book or series hyped to such a degree can't ever be good. And that was what Tim was talking about.
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Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy - 28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM 1717 Views
Nonsense, at least in part - 28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM 1280 Views
I know there is a polite difference of opinion here - 28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM 1096 Views
So we should judge the Iliad against modren fantasy novels? - 29/07/2010 12:04:32 PM 1126 Views
i agree, and furthermore... - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM 1197 Views
Re: I know there is a polite difference of opinion here - 29/07/2010 08:44:24 PM 1125 Views
Mno - 30/07/2010 09:07:18 AM 1205 Views
Have to agree. - 28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM 1186 Views
It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM 1010 Views
*cough* Twilight *cough* - 29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM 1051 Views
I was gonna mention that one too. - 29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM 1128 Views
Mmm. I read an interesting article actually... - 29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM 946 Views
That's a fair point, I guess... - 29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM 1147 Views
It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM 1146 Views
Fair enough. - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM 1144 Views
Also: the writing is crap. - 29/07/2010 01:04:12 PM 1086 Views
but plenty of us hate it after reading *NM* - 29/07/2010 08:24:35 PM 470 Views
How much do you have to read to form an opinion? - 29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM 1098 Views
To the end - 29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM 974 Views
my reading time is too scarce to think that way - 29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM 1146 Views
I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading - 29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM 1165 Views
and I will - 29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM 883 Views
that's fair enough then - 29/07/2010 10:43:57 PM 946 Views
so I hear - 29/07/2010 11:13:09 PM 908 Views
Re: To the end - 29/07/2010 08:49:06 PM 1028 Views
Re: To the end - 29/07/2010 10:34:44 PM 956 Views
Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM 1128 Views
The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM* - 29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM 567 Views
He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now - 29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM 972 Views
It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older - 29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM 916 Views
well you have not failed completely - 29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM 923 Views
Re: well you have not failed completely - 29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM 969 Views
one quick question - 29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM 1005 Views
Re: one quick question - 29/07/2010 07:42:27 PM 1038 Views
well I am not a big enough hypocrite to look down on verbosity - 29/07/2010 08:30:56 PM 947 Views
I have a new essay I want you to read - 29/07/2010 07:44:40 PM 1072 Views
Re: I have a new essay I want you to read - 29/07/2010 10:42:05 PM 1036 Views
how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books? - 29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM 942 Views
Book 3 is the beginning of the adult ones, imo. - 29/07/2010 06:44:07 PM 1046 Views
Agreed, although, - 29/07/2010 06:54:14 PM 1010 Views
They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers. - 29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM 927 Views
Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM 1051 Views
it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy. - 29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM 1048 Views
I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint. - 29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 997 Views
I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored... - 29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM 1140 Views
lol. it's hard to fail with such low preliminary standards *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:46:07 PM 499 Views
good points, i bow to your wisdom - 29/07/2010 10:45:29 PM 925 Views
Oh, agreed. - 30/07/2010 09:05:17 AM 1071 Views
Incidentall - 28/07/2010 10:39:52 PM 1033 Views
Ha! - 28/07/2010 10:41:41 PM 1152 Views
Re: Ha! - 28/07/2010 10:45:38 PM 1042 Views
Ah - 28/07/2010 10:49:22 PM 1094 Views
I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch. - 28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM 1114 Views
I can see your points there - 28/07/2010 11:18:59 PM 1014 Views
I grow weary of people refusing to view LotR in context. - 28/07/2010 11:14:07 PM 1066 Views
all art forms have sacred cows - 29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM 1123 Views
Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh. - 29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM 1016 Views
women deserve black lung too!! - 29/07/2010 08:35:17 PM 918 Views
nah the smart ones do like my grandmother did - 29/07/2010 09:15:14 PM 986 Views
All Tolkien-haters are morons. - 29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM 1282 Views
Disappointing. - 29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM 1078 Views
Re: Disappointing. - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM 1008 Views
Probably in the sense... - 29/07/2010 02:57:47 PM 955 Views
Perhaps more of 'a complication' to good discussion. - 29/07/2010 08:28:59 PM 921 Views
agreed. *NM* - 29/07/2010 08:32:36 PM 485 Views
I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien. - 30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM 1323 Views
The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM 1407 Views
No it wasn't. - 30/07/2010 06:37:19 PM 1055 Views
Re: Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy - 29/07/2010 08:42:04 PM 1074 Views
I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM 1084 Views
This. *NM* - 30/07/2010 07:43:24 PM 1168 Views

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