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The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works lyringlas Send a noteboard - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM
IIRC from my research project circa 7th grade on JRRTolkien, he approached numerous publishers with The Silmarillion and always was rejected. Finally, he gave up trying to get it published and that is when The Hobbit was brought to light. Wasn't the original Silmarillion publication done just a year or so after his death? Christopher Tolkien couldn't have been working on collecting everything together before his dad even died in order to make his dad's life-work a cash cow. Granted, this has happened more recently, with all of the extras: Hurin, Sigurd, etc; but I definitely don't think this was the case with, The Silmarillion.
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Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy Larry - 28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM 1777 Views
Nonsense, at least in part Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM 1356 Views
I know there is a polite difference of opinion here Larry - 28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM 1147 Views
So we should judge the Iliad against modren fantasy novels? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:04:32 PM 1181 Views
i agree, and furthermore... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM 1253 Views
Re: I know there is a polite difference of opinion here dacole - 29/07/2010 08:44:24 PM 1176 Views
Mno Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:07:18 AM 1265 Views
Have to agree. Seriana Sedai - 28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM 1234 Views
It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. Tim - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM 1062 Views
*cough* Twilight *cough* Ghavrel - 29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM 1109 Views
I was gonna mention that one too. Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM 1187 Views
Mmm. I read an interesting article actually... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM 999 Views
That's a fair point, I guess... Legolas - 29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM 1206 Views
mmm, except it's relevant to Bella too. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:03 PM 1083 Views
That's my point, it's pretty much only relevant to Bella - only there is it shown prominently. *NM* Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:59:54 PM 519 Views
Of course, since she's the main character, it matters rather a lot, yes? *NM* Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:39:07 AM 513 Views
It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM 1204 Views
Fair enough. Legolas - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM 1217 Views
Also: the writing is crap. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 01:04:12 PM 1140 Views
but plenty of us hate it after reading *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:35 PM 489 Views
How much do you have to read to form an opinion? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM 1159 Views
To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM 1028 Views
my reading time is too scarce to think that way random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM 1204 Views
I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM 1218 Views
and I will random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM 939 Views
that's fair enough then LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:57 PM 1000 Views
so I hear random thoughts - 29/07/2010 11:13:09 PM 964 Views
Re: To the end dacole - 29/07/2010 08:49:06 PM 1084 Views
Re: To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:34:44 PM 1016 Views
Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? Legolas - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM 1193 Views
The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM* Dark Knight - 29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM 592 Views
He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now Lordling - 29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM 1025 Views
It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM 968 Views
well you have not failed completely random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM 979 Views
Re: well you have not failed completely Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM 1023 Views
one quick question random thoughts - 29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM 1058 Views
Re: one quick question Camilla - 29/07/2010 07:42:27 PM 1092 Views
well I am not a big enough hypocrite to look down on verbosity random thoughts - 29/07/2010 08:30:56 PM 997 Views
I have a new essay I want you to read Larry - 29/07/2010 07:44:40 PM 1127 Views
Re: I have a new essay I want you to read Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:42:05 PM 1083 Views
how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM 998 Views
Book 3 is the beginning of the adult ones, imo. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 06:44:07 PM 1101 Views
Agreed, although, Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:54:14 PM 1061 Views
None of them are "geared towards grown ups" - it's still a YA series. Legolas - 29/07/2010 07:03:24 PM 991 Views
They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM 978 Views
Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. dacole - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM 1105 Views
it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM 1109 Views
I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 1050 Views
I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored... random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM 1201 Views
lol. it's hard to fail with such low preliminary standards *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:46:07 PM 519 Views
good points, i bow to your wisdom LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:45:29 PM 980 Views
Oh, agreed. Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:05:17 AM 1128 Views
Incidentall Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:39:52 PM 1095 Views
Ha! Larry - 28/07/2010 10:41:41 PM 1216 Views
Re: Ha! Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:45:38 PM 1091 Views
Ah Larry - 28/07/2010 10:49:22 PM 1142 Views
I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch. Legolas - 28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM 1183 Views
I can see your points there Larry - 28/07/2010 11:18:59 PM 1102 Views
I completely agree that there should be no sacred cows, and that applies to Tolkien. Tom - 28/07/2010 11:13:39 PM 1106 Views
I grow weary of people refusing to view LotR in context. Ghavrel - 28/07/2010 11:14:07 PM 1121 Views
all art forms have sacred cows random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM 1191 Views
Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh. Gher - 29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM 1065 Views
women deserve black lung too!! LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:35:17 PM 974 Views
nah the smart ones do like my grandmother did random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:15:14 PM 1040 Views
All Tolkien-haters are morons. fionwe1987 - 29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM 1364 Views
Disappointing. Werthead - 29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM 1133 Views
Re: Disappointing. Camilla - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM 1096 Views
Probably in the sense... Jacob - 29/07/2010 02:57:47 PM 1009 Views
Perhaps more of 'a complication' to good discussion. Werthead - 29/07/2010 08:28:59 PM 976 Views
agreed. *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:32:36 PM 508 Views
I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien. Tom - 30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM 1376 Views
The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works lyringlas - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM 1460 Views
No it wasn't. Tom - 30/07/2010 06:37:19 PM 1149 Views
Re: Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy dacole - 29/07/2010 08:42:04 PM 1132 Views
I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. everynametaken - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM 1139 Views
This. *NM* Dan - 30/07/2010 07:43:24 PM 1221 Views
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