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The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works lyringlas Send a noteboard - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM
IIRC from my research project circa 7th grade on JRRTolkien, he approached numerous publishers with The Silmarillion and always was rejected. Finally, he gave up trying to get it published and that is when The Hobbit was brought to light. Wasn't the original Silmarillion publication done just a year or so after his death? Christopher Tolkien couldn't have been working on collecting everything together before his dad even died in order to make his dad's life-work a cash cow. Granted, this has happened more recently, with all of the extras: Hurin, Sigurd, etc; but I definitely don't think this was the case with, The Silmarillion.
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Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy Larry - 28/07/2010 10:02:39 PM 1604 Views
Nonsense, at least in part Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:19:19 PM 1172 Views
I know there is a polite difference of opinion here Larry - 28/07/2010 10:40:42 PM 982 Views
So we should judge the Iliad against modren fantasy novels? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:04:32 PM 999 Views
i agree, and furthermore... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:46:07 PM 1078 Views
Re: I know there is a polite difference of opinion here dacole - 29/07/2010 08:44:24 PM 1003 Views
Mno Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:07:18 AM 1084 Views
Have to agree. Seriana Sedai - 28/07/2010 11:38:37 PM 1073 Views
It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. Tim - 29/07/2010 09:44:53 AM 889 Views
*cough* Twilight *cough* Ghavrel - 29/07/2010 10:15:13 AM 926 Views
I was gonna mention that one too. Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:35:17 AM 1001 Views
Mmm. I read an interesting article actually... LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:04 PM 820 Views
That's a fair point, I guess... Legolas - 29/07/2010 09:18:13 PM 1032 Views
mmm, except it's relevant to Bella too. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:03 PM 910 Views
That's my point, it's pretty much only relevant to Bella - only there is it shown prominently. *NM* Legolas - 29/07/2010 10:59:54 PM 460 Views
Of course, since she's the main character, it matters rather a lot, yes? *NM* Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:39:07 AM 448 Views
It's hardly tacit. I'm glad I've never read the things. Ghavrel - 30/07/2010 09:38:33 AM 1019 Views
Fair enough. Legolas - 30/07/2010 10:03:07 AM 1021 Views
Also: the writing is crap. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 01:04:12 PM 969 Views
but plenty of us hate it after reading *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:24:35 PM 430 Views
How much do you have to read to form an opinion? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 12:23:28 PM 976 Views
To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 12:59:25 PM 851 Views
my reading time is too scarce to think that way random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:21:26 PM 1058 Views
I agree, but HP is a good example of something you should keep reading LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:27:20 PM 1020 Views
and I will random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:13:03 PM 756 Views
that's fair enough then LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:43:57 PM 821 Views
so I hear random thoughts - 29/07/2010 11:13:09 PM 787 Views
Re: To the end dacole - 29/07/2010 08:49:06 PM 897 Views
Re: To the end Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:34:44 PM 813 Views
Re: How much do you have to read to form an opinion? Legolas - 29/07/2010 01:49:21 PM 1003 Views
The books mature as Harry does. You should really give it another shot *NM* Dark Knight - 29/07/2010 03:00:37 PM 515 Views
He doesn't want to, so why should he? It's not like you or he is losing anything now Lordling - 29/07/2010 06:15:58 PM 841 Views
It is a case of the "someone is wrong on the internet" thing, only much older Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:27:07 PM 807 Views
well you have not failed completely random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:50:15 PM 798 Views
Re: well you have not failed completely Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:53:38 PM 841 Views
one quick question random thoughts - 29/07/2010 07:38:00 PM 888 Views
Re: one quick question Camilla - 29/07/2010 07:42:27 PM 921 Views
well I am not a big enough hypocrite to look down on verbosity random thoughts - 29/07/2010 08:30:56 PM 837 Views
I have a new essay I want you to read Larry - 29/07/2010 07:44:40 PM 946 Views
Re: I have a new essay I want you to read Camilla - 29/07/2010 10:42:05 PM 913 Views
how many books do I have to read to get to the grown up books? random thoughts - 29/07/2010 06:42:37 PM 831 Views
Book 3 is the beginning of the adult ones, imo. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 06:44:07 PM 919 Views
Agreed, although, Camilla - 29/07/2010 06:54:14 PM 889 Views
None of them are "geared towards grown ups" - it's still a YA series. Legolas - 29/07/2010 07:03:24 PM 815 Views
They're all "light reading" for adults, geared towards YA readers. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:29:01 PM 802 Views
Re: It seemed to be that way with Harry Potter just when after it had started to get big. dacole - 29/07/2010 08:45:58 PM 940 Views
it's not supposed to be on par with adult fantasy. LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:49:16 PM 920 Views
I'd argue it's better than Jordan and others from a literary standpoint. Rebekah - 29/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 873 Views
I have always thought Jordan had some interesting themes but they were often ignored... random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:27:12 PM 1015 Views
lol. it's hard to fail with such low preliminary standards *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:46:07 PM 454 Views
good points, i bow to your wisdom LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 10:45:29 PM 807 Views
Oh, agreed. Camilla - 30/07/2010 09:05:17 AM 948 Views
Incidentall Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:39:52 PM 917 Views
Ha! Larry - 28/07/2010 10:41:41 PM 1038 Views
Re: Ha! Camilla - 28/07/2010 10:45:38 PM 920 Views
Ah Larry - 28/07/2010 10:49:22 PM 988 Views
I agree Tolkien should not be a sacred cow or put on a pedestal overmuch. Legolas - 28/07/2010 11:10:37 PM 996 Views
I can see your points there Larry - 28/07/2010 11:18:59 PM 900 Views
I completely agree that there should be no sacred cows, and that applies to Tolkien. Tom - 28/07/2010 11:13:39 PM 908 Views
I grow weary of people refusing to view LotR in context. Ghavrel - 28/07/2010 11:14:07 PM 940 Views
all art forms have sacred cows random thoughts - 29/07/2010 01:38:26 AM 1009 Views
Yeah, it was the line about women waiting at home while their men went to war that made me laugh. Gher - 29/07/2010 06:44:34 PM 899 Views
women deserve black lung too!! LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:35:17 PM 791 Views
nah the smart ones do like my grandmother did random thoughts - 29/07/2010 09:15:14 PM 868 Views
All Tolkien-haters are morons. fionwe1987 - 29/07/2010 03:30:27 AM 1155 Views
Disappointing. Werthead - 29/07/2010 04:41:34 AM 962 Views
Re: Disappointing. Camilla - 29/07/2010 09:19:25 AM 884 Views
Probably in the sense... Jacob - 29/07/2010 02:57:47 PM 855 Views
Perhaps more of 'a complication' to good discussion. Werthead - 29/07/2010 08:28:59 PM 802 Views
agreed. *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/07/2010 08:32:36 PM 438 Views
I think you are ignoring the key fact that the Silmarillion was never published by Tolkien. Tom - 30/07/2010 01:48:14 PM 1206 Views
The Silmarillion was actually one of Tolkien's first works lyringlas - 30/07/2010 06:12:31 PM 1285 Views
No it wasn't. Tom - 30/07/2010 06:37:19 PM 934 Views
Re: Tolkien as a sacred cow of fantasy dacole - 29/07/2010 08:42:04 PM 955 Views
I find the Tolkien lovers to be obnoxious in their never ending masturbatory praise of his works. everynametaken - 30/07/2010 06:09:42 AM 961 Views
This. *NM* Dan - 30/07/2010 07:43:24 PM 1047 Views
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