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Re: Plotting and writing. Camilla Send a noteboard - 04/08/2010 05:18:04 PM
Things get to a very carefully plotted climax, which will continue in the next three chapters. Masks are finally falling off, and riddles solved. Thoughts?


Prophecies:
Since I have been noting all the inadvertent prophecies of Trelawny's, I should probably mention Harry's prophecy of Buckbeak flying off free as well. Yet another accidentally true one.

Trelawny's own (bona fide) prophecy should probably also be mentioned: it is another excellent misdirection, of course. We are meant to assume that the "chained these twelve years" refers to Sirius in Azkaban.

And I like her reaction to Harry's confronting her with her own prophecy: "I would certainly not presume to predict anything quite as far-fetched as that".

I also like how the prophecy is driven out of Harry's (and thereby the reader's) mind by the distraction of Buckbeak. And that misdirection, as a central tendency of Rowling's narrative is also a major motif: Scabbers faking his own death. Twice.

It is also interesting that they never see Buckbeak being executed. It makes possible an ambiguity of Rowling's time travel, keeping open the possibility that they are changing the past while in reality it would seem that the past is fixed and that their travelling is simply a part of it. But that comes later.

The scene in the Shrieking Shack is so different on a re-read. Everything Sirius says and does is ambiguous, as is Lupin's behaviour. But things only make sense when you know the truth. It was a perfectly written "what on earth is going on" scene the first time, and now it is all touching and lovely.

In fact, that whole chapter is perfectly written. The buildup, the reveal... Three thumbs up.

We are given the harmonising explanation for the ambiguity of the two version of James' saving Snape, the importance of the story of Pettigrew's finger, the Whomping Willow...

While I can see the reason for it, Rowling's compulsion for writing out the explanation for all her clues is a little annoying on the 100th reread (I've lost count), however. But I can forgive that.


Also, the end of chapter 18 has a very good cliffhanger.
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Stan Shunpike. - 28/07/2010 02:01:46 PM 2113 Views
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Dont foget the most important foreshadowing! - 28/07/2010 02:15:35 PM 1949 Views
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Subtlety is what I do *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:43:00 PM 1053 Views
He is so lovely. - 03/08/2010 06:00:26 PM 2102 Views
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"Plotting" might be a more interesting discussion point - 29/07/2010 11:57:20 AM 2101 Views
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I don't know the answer, but a good place to look would be... (book 4 spoilers) - 05/08/2010 12:33:20 AM 1896 Views
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I caught that too. - 02/08/2010 02:50:03 PM 1754 Views
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OK. I don't like how one-sided the Slytherins are. - 08/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 1982 Views
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we were discussing her numbers in the other thread - 12/08/2010 12:49:29 AM 2177 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:26:12 PM 1025 Views
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pedant. - 09/08/2010 09:27:25 PM 1989 Views
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For Quidditch fans, this is probably the best book. - 03/08/2010 05:38:49 PM 1906 Views
spoilers in headlines, mister! - 03/08/2010 05:43:22 PM 1938 Views
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Re. Sirius. - 05/08/2010 02:40:41 PM 2032 Views
Witnessing and getting the truth through to Harry. - 05/08/2010 10:00:34 PM 1930 Views
Hm. - 08/08/2010 02:58:46 PM 1836 Views
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Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:07:29 PM 1971 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:12:48 PM 1865 Views
OK - 08/08/2010 03:15:10 PM 1900 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 04:18:52 PM 1851 Views
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Heh. - 08/08/2010 03:05:16 PM 1984 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 04/08/2010 04:19:15 PM 1158 Views
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Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:09:23 PM 2008 Views
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Characters. - 05/08/2010 02:40:22 PM 1721 Views
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See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:04:24 PM 2296 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:13:21 PM 2014 Views
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Something I've only just realized about Snape... (massive book six and seven spoilers) - 05/08/2010 02:53:15 PM 2011 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:40:42 PM 937 Views
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I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:09:59 PM 1939 Views
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Ah, yes, my bad. - 05/08/2010 04:02:26 PM 1869 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:41:01 PM 981 Views
killing - 05/08/2010 02:48:33 PM 1823 Views
Yeah, I noted the same thing. (spoilers for rest of series) - 05/08/2010 03:12:15 PM 2046 Views
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Chapters 21-22. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:42 PM 985 Views
And for the last time in this book... characters? *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:03:30 PM 1047 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 05:04:14 PM 1748 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 06:27:54 PM 1767 Views
I normally don't care for time travel. - 07/08/2010 01:20:13 AM 2006 Views
And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:04:46 PM 1069 Views
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I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 01:23:02 AM 2123 Views
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Overall thoughts. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:14:03 PM 1059 Views
Character development. - 28/07/2010 01:17:20 PM 1825 Views
Harry develops by leaps and bounds - 28/07/2010 02:13:10 PM 1828 Views
Overarching plot and themes. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:18:27 PM 998 Views
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How good a book is this - compared to the rest of the series, and compared to YA books in general? *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:19:06 PM 1073 Views
I'd say it is one of the best in the series - 02/08/2010 10:23:49 AM 1813 Views
Absolutely. - 05/08/2010 08:15:20 PM 1985 Views
More of a question, really - 01/08/2010 10:40:23 PM 1859 Views
I think this is situational and a sad commentary on his home life. - 02/08/2010 03:01:49 PM 1699 Views
Well, but the question still remains - 02/08/2010 03:04:01 PM 1819 Views
Oh, got it. - 02/08/2010 03:12:47 PM 1908 Views
Ah, interesting - 02/08/2010 03:50:41 PM 1950 Views
The problem came down to actually doing the work. - 02/08/2010 03:54:21 PM 1875 Views
I never had any. - 03/08/2010 03:25:07 PM 1792 Views
I'm finding this one more difficult to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:38:01 PM 1871 Views
Apparently you are not alone in that. - 03/08/2010 05:48:13 PM 2008 Views
I suppose this is more or less the right place for this. - 04/08/2010 11:59:45 PM 1970 Views
Hehehe - 05/08/2010 12:14:38 AM 1880 Views
I had totally forgotten about that choir and the Ray Bradbury reference. - 05/08/2010 12:37:09 AM 1791 Views
Okay, so possibly a Shakespeare reference also used by Bradbury. Whatever. *NM* - 05/08/2010 12:37:56 AM 982 Views
Possibly? It's the witches in Macbeth. *NM* - 05/08/2010 08:36:20 AM 974 Views
Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 06:46:26 PM 1801 Views
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Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 08:00:01 PM 1909 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. - 28/07/2010 06:14:49 PM 2011 Views
I was wondering when this would come up - 28/07/2010 06:39:01 PM 1840 Views
I knew I was gonna forget something. - 28/07/2010 06:55:50 PM 1947 Views
Perhaps - 29/07/2010 09:29:53 AM 1880 Views
I considered that, but it seemed overly non-trusting, and nobody has posted in them yet? *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:12:23 AM 878 Views
Yet - 29/07/2010 10:13:44 AM 1930 Views
<Tattoos "Poor Impulse Control" on your forehead> - 29/07/2010 11:00:07 AM 1973 Views
I may be missing a reference - 29/07/2010 11:03:47 AM 1836 Views
The villain is a huge Aleutian man with such a tattoo. *NM* - 29/07/2010 11:09:30 AM 1010 Views
I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:46:13 PM 1958 Views
Re: I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:59:20 PM 1867 Views
I think I should make clear, just in case, that I don't mean immediately. - 03/08/2010 05:11:26 PM 1820 Views
Yes - 03/08/2010 05:13:10 PM 1812 Views
Your patience is admirable. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:15:45 PM 966 Views
There are no words *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:16:51 PM 1057 Views

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