Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7)
Camilla Send a noteboard - 05/08/2010 05:01:52 PM
Oh, yes. I agree entirely. As I said in my reply to your post. It is obvious when you mention it. And it brings more loveliness to the scene. It really is one of my absolute favourite ones.
Yeah, it certainly adds a layer of depth - I'm fairly sure Sirius and Remus are not thinking of Lily at all, and neither is her name mentioned anywhere. Cleverly done on Rowling's part to realize she had to have Snape go around the bend here despite the lack of any reason why, at that point.
Indeed.
Yes. There is a sense of "oh, shit. Did we got too far this time?"
Which can't help with Snape's resentment afterwards. Makes it almost understandable how he treats Harry later on.
Yes. Which would have been exacerbated by the later knowledge that the kids kept him from making the fatal error of bringing an innocent man to his death.
Perhaps turn him into a tea pot and break him?
Hehe.
On that note, I cannot help feeling there is something suspect in the idea that converting animals into objects and objects into animals says something about animals which I am not entirely comfortable with.
You don't think Sirius and Lupin have integrity? Or that they aren't good guys? I don't see en inherent opposition between either and doing stupid things. In fact, Rowling's heroes seem to thrive on doing stupid.
I meant agree about the being wonderfully cool, actually. But since you mention it, it's one thing if "stupid things" entails risking your life, quite another if it entails killing someone else. Killing Peter wouldn't have made them evil perhaps - though Rowling suggests later that it actually might have - but certainly it's not much of an expression if integrity.
No, killing Peter would only be an expression of revenge, grief and that sort of thing. What I meant about integrity was more the different styles of argument employed by Sirius/Lupin and Peter.
I wouldn't stake my life on their willingness to sacrifice themselves for Peter, but I wouldn't rule it out, either. It would be like Harry sacrificing his life for Neville (at this point in the books) -- I could see it happen.
I have to disagree again. Strongly, in fact. Neville is not particularly popular from the start, and yes, Harry isn't really much nicer to him than people in general (or at least not always). But Harry doesn't have any supposed friends who spend their time fawning over him the way we see Peter do over Sirius and James in book five. It annoys him when Colin Creevey engages in hero worship, and it disgusts him to see how Peter acts to Sirius and James in Snape's memory - and how they act to him in return. Peter is not merely some well-meaning but not very competent person like Neville (at first), he's also a brown-noser who has never really belonged in the Marauders gang. I couldn't say for sure Sirius wouldn't die for him, but I don't think he would have. At the very least, if it had been James (or Remus) or Peter, Sirius would have forgotten all about Peter in a split second. But in any case, comparing him to Neville isn't justified, I think.
You are right. Neville wasn't a good example. Colin Creevy might be, though. He is a tag-along.
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She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say...
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Stan Shunpike.
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True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape.
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Re: True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape.
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I think, maybe, it's comparing with other wizarding schools in the world.
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Colin Creevey is working class.
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Correct me if I'm wrong
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Aaaah, Sirius.
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Re: Aaaah, Sirius.
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Re: Aaaah, Sirius.
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Writing style.
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It is a better book.
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Its much more mature writing style I think
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Re: Its much more mature writing style I think
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Foreshadowings, details that turn out to be important, etc. *NM*
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That is very well done in this book, I thought.
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Dont foget the most important foreshadowing!
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LupinLupinLupinLupinLupinLupin!
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Hmmm I'm wondering...is Lupin one of your fav characters? *NM*
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Could be, could be.
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Well it was subtle so I don't think many people will catch it *NM*
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Is it premature to argue Harry's starting to get alienated from Ron and Hermione here?
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Re: Is it premature to argue Harry's starting to get alienated from Ron and Hermione here?
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Writing style.
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"Plotting" might be a more interesting discussion point
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Introduction of the Dementors. *NM*
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They are Rowling's most terrifying creation
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Without his knowledge or consent of course *NM*
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Yes
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I thinking something thats a little off topic
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Re: I thinking something thats a little off topic
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Ooo I didn't think of that! I like you. We can be friends
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I don't know the answer, but a good place to look would be... (book 4 spoilers)
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Re: Lupin vs. Snape
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Other things you want to comment on. *NM*
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Good spell and great scene with the Bogart.
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Re: Plotting and writing.
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I caught that too.
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I suspect....
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The Marauder's Map seems to be able to do more on this first view than later on...
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Re: The Marauder's Map seems to be able to do more on this first view than later on...
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I think she did a good job of getting the map out of Harry's hands
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Re: I think she did a good job of getting the map out of Harry's hands
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It's not that the map was wrong - on the contrary (book 4 spoilers).
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Re: It's not that the map was wrong - on the contrary (book 4 spoilers).
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No, you and Aria seem to be right - only Harry himself is depicted in miniature.
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Re: No, you and Aria seem to be right - only Harry himself is depicted in miniature.
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Agree about the Twins and my take on Harry's impression of James.
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Re: Other things - the Marauder's Map, background story on Sirius and the Potters,...
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Re: Characters.
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OK. I don't like how one-sided the Slytherins are.
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Agreed.
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Re: Agreed.
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There are only three named girls in his year in Gryffindor, that I'm aware of.
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Re: There are only three named girls in his year in Gryffindor, that I'm aware of.
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But the Sorting Hat decides, and they can't refuse students that I'm aware of...
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Crookshanks.
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I knew I saw this somewhere.
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Did they come out and explain Crookshanks?
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Re: Did they come out and explain Crookshanks?
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Thanks, thought I was loosing it... well, maybe I am, but I can still read.
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The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. *NM*
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Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss.
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I really enjoyed the first quidditch match.
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Re: Characters.
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See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7)
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Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7)
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Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7)
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Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7)
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Something I've only just realized about Snape... (massive book six and seven spoilers)
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Plotting and writing. *NM*
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Re: Plotting and writing.
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I think it's a good thing she explains her clues.
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Other thoughts. *NM*
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killing
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Plotting and writing.
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And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. *NM*
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How good a book is this - compared to the rest of the series, and compared to YA books in general? *NM*
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More of a question, really
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I think this is situational and a sad commentary on his home life.
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Well, but the question still remains
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I suppose this is more or less the right place for this.
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I had totally forgotten about that choir and the Ray Bradbury reference.
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Okay, so possibly a Shakespeare reference also used by Bradbury. Whatever. *NM*
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Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus.
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Suggestions for the re-read.
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I knew I was gonna forget something.
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Perhaps
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I considered that, but it seemed overly non-trusting, and nobody has posted in them yet? *NM*
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<Tattoos "Poor Impulse Control" on your forehead>
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I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up.
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I think I should make clear, just in case, that I don't mean immediately.
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Yes
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