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Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. Tom Send a noteboard - 30/09/2010 10:57:23 PM
Do you mean more that the ideas challenge the current prodomonent views or are just difficult to grasp? There are plenty of books out there that pushed the envelope to a degree for the thinking of the time, but might not have been difficult to read, and are considered classics by most. Just curious here.
I don't really mean either. The ideas themselves may not be difficult to grasp OR challenge predominant views, but their presentation in a literary work may be done in such a way that it's not immediately apparent, or that requires reading a hundred pages of seemingly meaningless exposition before their impact can be felt.

I struggled with Crime and Punishment, honestly. Ultimately good and worth it, but it was tough for me to get through. I've been stalling on reading more, mainly The Brothers Karamazov.

Note that I did NOT put Crime and Punishment on my list of favorites. I think it's perhaps Dostoevsky's least successful "major" work. It's slower, less developed and a bit predictable.

Haven't read this one, but was a fan of Gatsby. My wife liked Gatsby so much, she used to have a copy in her car.

Tender is the Night is his last finished novel and very autobiographical. As a result, it's quite sad.

I may have to rethink my hesitation on more Dostoevsky after this. Really that good? You do seem to have a particular interest in all things Russian, though.

As a Russian literature major in undergrad, I have that tendency.
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Powdered Soup! StormCrow - 30/09/2010 09:23:51 PM 1132 Views
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Well, have you seen any of the Austen TV/movie adaptations, then? Legolas - 30/09/2010 10:25:58 PM 1077 Views
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They are much, much worse than powder soup. Legolas - 30/09/2010 09:50:07 PM 973 Views
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It's cool. StormCrow - 06/10/2010 04:42:13 PM 1187 Views
A classic is really any book with enduring value. Tom - 30/09/2010 05:33:35 PM 1062 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. StormCrow - 30/09/2010 06:46:02 PM 1081 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. Tom - 30/09/2010 10:57:23 PM 1043 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. Camilla - 30/09/2010 11:39:16 PM 903 Views
Camilla, that's just because you're an atheist. Tom - 01/10/2010 09:37:34 PM 973 Views
Yes. Camilla - 01/10/2010 09:51:32 PM 958 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. StormCrow - 01/10/2010 12:20:51 AM 1140 Views
I really need to read Kundera. I've heard nothing but praise for Unbearable Lightness. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/09/2010 08:46:18 PM 581 Views
I could post you over a copy to borrow. Rebekah - 30/09/2010 08:58:08 PM 903 Views
That is very kind, but I have far too much to do to read non-school books, unfortunately. Ghavrel - 30/09/2010 10:53:23 PM 985 Views
It is good. *NM* Camilla - 30/09/2010 09:34:47 PM 440 Views
Haven't read any other Kundera, but yes, that one is very enjoyable. *NM* Legolas - 30/09/2010 09:50:30 PM 579 Views
I found his other books to be pale copies of The Unbearable Lightness of Being. *NM* Tom - 30/09/2010 10:51:55 PM 620 Views
totally problematic classics temeraire - 30/09/2010 08:07:22 PM 1096 Views
Re: totally problematic classics StormCrow - 30/09/2010 09:26:46 PM 991 Views
I study them, apparently. Ghavrel - 30/09/2010 08:44:40 PM 1158 Views
I wish I could do that. StormCrow - 30/09/2010 09:49:57 PM 1060 Views
Less fun than you'd think. Ghavrel - 30/09/2010 10:52:10 PM 934 Views
More admiration of your discipline than assuming you were having fun with it. StormCrow - 01/10/2010 12:31:06 AM 1104 Views
Re: The Classics - general discussion / survey .. edited. Camilla - 30/09/2010 08:58:14 PM 1115 Views
I knew you would have a rather lengthy list. I was worried until the edit came through. StormCrow - 01/10/2010 02:26:34 AM 1139 Views
Good survey. Legolas - 30/09/2010 10:23:18 PM 1132 Views
Agreed. edited Camilla - 30/09/2010 10:37:48 PM 1091 Views
But but but Milton is beautiful Ghavrel - 30/09/2010 10:46:06 PM 1025 Views
Sometimes. Camilla - 30/09/2010 10:47:28 PM 1050 Views
Maybe I was unclear. Ghavrel - 30/09/2010 10:55:22 PM 1062 Views
Re: Maybe I was unclear. Camilla - 30/09/2010 10:57:41 PM 946 Views
I'm glad you approve on the whole. Legolas - 30/09/2010 11:12:00 PM 1069 Views
I generally do. Camilla - 30/09/2010 11:19:05 PM 1052 Views
Excellent. Might as well include a Hooft poem anyway, in case anyone's interested... Legolas - 30/09/2010 11:40:24 PM 1230 Views
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Dickens StormCrow - 01/10/2010 02:42:42 PM 1031 Views
Re: I generally do. BlackAdder - 30/09/2010 11:54:11 PM 1112 Views
Oh, and link to the Flecker poem: Legolas - 30/09/2010 11:42:30 PM 953 Views
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Ah Cliff, I bow to thee BlackAdder - 30/09/2010 11:30:41 PM 1160 Views
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Ha, we weren't that far off after all. StormCrow - 04/10/2010 08:11:39 PM 985 Views
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