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Re: Good survey. StormCrow Send a noteboard - 01/10/2010 02:52:27 AM

The American (and possibly British, but I know less about that really) school system does have a very heavy literature component. By my standards, anyway, which of course are based on my Flemish school system. The amount of required books in HS was very small indeed for me, and most of them weren't even really the classics. Might have something to do with English obviously having a rather larger canon to choose from than Dutch, and with our needing to have more room for foreign languages. And also that we simply read more excerpts, including in the foreign language classes - I've read some Romeo & Juliet in school, alright, but not remotely all of it, and the only entire book I had to read in English was Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. In French, I don't think we even read a single whole book, just excerpts and short stories. Same in Latin and Greek class - one obviously doesn't have enough time to read even as much as a quarter of the Iliad, Odyssey, Aeneid, De Bello Gallico, and so on, so it's just a number of excerpts.

And then a fair amount of the books we *did* have to read were actually freely chosen (well, from a list of options). So classics that were required reading... if I get to three it'll be much.


I really think that's a better way to do it. We had books assigned over the summer and then multiple assigned during the school year. Only once or twice could we pick from a list, but those were always the better reading experiences. I got Heart of Darkness and Slaughterhouse V that year and was pleased with both.

No real definition, just the books that are generally considered to belong in the canon, I guess. Some are unquestionably so, others are less generally agreed upon. No doubt there are some differences between countries - more local books, perhaps lacking books that are so strongly connected to a given country that they're less relevant elsewhere, etc. Nathaniel Hawthorne for instance strikes me as an author who is very important in the US, but all but ignored elsewhere. To Kill a Mockingbird no doubt has more success abroad, but is still less relevant to non-Americans.


That really is a good point and is something that this thread is bringing home to me. I tend to fall into the American / Brittish lit, along with some of the Greek works, when I think about this. A lot of folks here are coming from different areas and throwing out things I've never even considered with their particular point of reference.

I'm always terrible at choosing a single favourite, so bear with me here... I can't have a longer list than Camilla, surely, so it's all good.

From Antiquity: Antigone, Medea, Iliad and Odyssey, Tacitus' works in general even if I've read pitifully little of them, poetry by Sappho and Catullus.

Middle Ages and early modernity: some Shakespeare plays, the Racine plays I've read (Phèdre and Andromaque), Ibn Khaldun's Muqaddimah with the same remark as with the Tacitus (so I should probably read them entirely before listing them... but then again, one cannot create enough publicity for the overlooked brilliance of the Muqaddimah), the little I've read of Paradise Lost, the poetry of Hooft and Vondel (in Dutch, so doubt anyone else here will have read them...)

"Modern" classics: P&P, S&S and Emma by Austen, essentially everything by Poe, various works by Dumas, Age of Innocence by Wharton, Picture of Dorian Gray by Wilde, a few books by Leroux, Maupassant's short stories, Brideshead Revisited by Waugh, LotR by Tolkien, Dr. Zhivago by Pasternak, some stories by Borges, poetry by Yeats and Achterberg, To Kill a Mockingbird by Lee, 1984 by Orwell. And I'm going to add a complete unknown who kicks ass, just so perhaps some day someone will read him and I won't be the only person I know who does: James Elroy Flecker. Love his poems.


Definitely not heard of him, but will check him out. Tolkien is a favorite of mine, as is 1984. To Kill a Mockingbird was good too, but to me was a read once to say you did it kind of book. I've never really wanted to revisit it. Can't argue with the early Greek works either and I loved Paradise Lost.

And as for books too recent to be called classics, but still generally considered to be the future canon: Possession by Byatt, Unbearable Lightness of Being by Kundera, Love in Times of Cholera by Marquez, Pynchon's books even though I've never finished any (this is a bit of a recurring theme here...), and poetry by cummings, 't Hooft (Flemish, that one), and probably others I'm not thinking of now.


Kundera is now on my list as well, with the early string about his work. All that love, it's got to be something special.

Well, I've probably forgotten lots in all time periods, but oh well.


I left this wide open for a reason, I didn't anticipate the breadth of the responses!


Eh, I'll read them eventually, but as for the cause of my views: with the Aeneid I think it's just a little too much "Roman literature is nothing compared to Greek literature, Virgil just ripped off Homer" propaganda in my school days. For Dickens, not sure, I guess I just have a bleak and depressing impression of his works.


I have yet to read the Aeneid entirely, but want to, so I must reserve commentary there. I do enjoy Dickens though I was hesitant at the start. I fell in love with A Christmas Carol as a kid at the local community theater, read a couple in school and picked up the others on my own. I don't have as specific reasoning for it as Camilla likely will.

Yes, this place can be quite sobering that way...


Yes, indeed.
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Camilla, that's just because you're an atheist. - 01/10/2010 09:37:34 PM 808 Views
Yes. - 01/10/2010 09:51:32 PM 792 Views
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I study them, apparently. - 30/09/2010 08:44:40 PM 984 Views
I wish I could do that. - 30/09/2010 09:49:57 PM 889 Views
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Agreed. edited - 30/09/2010 10:37:48 PM 934 Views
But but but Milton is beautiful - 30/09/2010 10:46:06 PM 871 Views
Sometimes. - 30/09/2010 10:47:28 PM 884 Views
Maybe I was unclear. - 30/09/2010 10:55:22 PM 894 Views
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I'm glad you approve on the whole. - 30/09/2010 11:12:00 PM 899 Views
I generally do. - 30/09/2010 11:19:05 PM 894 Views
Excellent. Might as well include a Hooft poem anyway, in case anyone's interested... - 30/09/2010 11:40:24 PM 1048 Views
Re: Excellent. Might as well include a Hooft poem anyway, in case anyone's interested... - 30/09/2010 11:43:20 PM 886 Views
Dickens - 01/10/2010 02:42:42 PM 877 Views
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Oh, and link to the Flecker poem: - 30/09/2010 11:42:30 PM 783 Views
Re: Good survey. - 01/10/2010 02:52:27 AM 1048 Views
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I figured as much. - 01/10/2010 03:08:26 AM 809 Views
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Criminy, I thought I was done with essay questions years ago. - 01/10/2010 01:39:56 AM 913 Views
Glad to bring back the school days. - 01/10/2010 01:49:48 PM 942 Views
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Mm, Doré's engravings are gorgeous. - 02/10/2010 11:40:48 AM 953 Views
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