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Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM
I know that, of the people here, you're one of the ones who reads good literature more often. Of course, you also liked The Last Samurai. To my mind, that's shit. The point is that I don't go around blasting that book or its historical inaccuracies. I realize that entertainment literature is just that - entertainment.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2422 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1266 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1140 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1284 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1208 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1232 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1139 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1170 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1175 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1177 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1258 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1244 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 557 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1314 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1153 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1182 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1158 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1212 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 660 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1158 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 540 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 627 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1145 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1223 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1177 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1155 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1154 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1253 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1156 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1430 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1197 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1245 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1142 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1097 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1150 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 546 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1119 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1141 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1126 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1135 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1148 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 1184 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 585 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1197 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1152 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1124 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1107 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1263 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1344 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1186 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1406 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1176 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1139 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1118 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1077 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1191 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1255 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 564 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 573 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 591 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 612 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1097 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1168 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1118 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1103 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1127 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 1087 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1236 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1136 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1213 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1209 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1249 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1112 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1190 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 482 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1120 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1103 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 603 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 606 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1120 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 1016 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1111 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1107 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1181 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 567 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1107 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1190 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1165 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1163 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1124 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 584 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1096 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1246 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1121 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 992 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1351 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1100 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1120 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 562 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1212 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 1060 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1151 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1269 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 559 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 1058 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1340 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1201 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1175 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1228 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 1102 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1118 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1167 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1258 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1250 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1118 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1232 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1167 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1167 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1205 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 566 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1188 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1070 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1233 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1116 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1289 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1353 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 1023 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 794 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 588 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1077 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1348 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1124 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1113 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1254 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 593 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 546 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 791 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 591 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1474 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1231 Views
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