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Re: In defense of italics... Camilla Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM
If we're talking about the strength of prose, I think that we can thrown Dan Brown in the same pool as about 75-80% of fantasy and sci-fi authors.


Jordan at least had the good sense not to use italics whenever he wants to make sure you noticed that something interesting is happening OMG!!!!111 the Illuminati may be taking over *cough*


Gaston Leroux might be the worst abuser of that particular type style.

Le presbytère n'a rien perdu de son charme ni le jardin de son éclat!!!

And it's only slightly distracting. That being said, I have never read any Dan Brown and therefore cannot comment.



You know, I never noticed that in Leroux? Possibly because I found him otherwise rather good.
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2575 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1435 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1270 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1418 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1360 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1353 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1278 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1294 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1292 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1303 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1396 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1366 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 624 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1440 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1290 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1329 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1277 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1345 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 731 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1280 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 608 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 678 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1271 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1355 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1305 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1294 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1289 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1381 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1288 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1571 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1331 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1404 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1278 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1233 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1288 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 624 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1245 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1263 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1244 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1255 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1275 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 1309 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 647 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1302 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1269 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1238 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1233 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1400 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1490 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1311 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1552 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1343 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1265 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1269 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1207 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1312 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1379 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 627 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 641 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 657 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 679 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1249 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1335 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1245 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1230 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1246 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 1202 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1356 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1276 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1337 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1339 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1386 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1277 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1339 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 541 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1241 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1234 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 668 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 673 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1252 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 1158 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1232 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1242 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1333 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 626 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1235 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1330 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1284 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1285 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1256 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 652 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1223 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1355 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1241 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 1134 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1489 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1237 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1255 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 628 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1351 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 1193 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1271 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1397 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 624 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 1189 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1485 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1329 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1340 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1357 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 1261 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1237 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1298 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1382 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1366 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1245 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1371 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1312 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1302 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1325 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 628 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1336 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1197 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1365 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1257 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1424 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1482 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 1137 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 857 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 648 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1228 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1484 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1258 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1238 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1374 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 657 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 608 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 859 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 644 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1615 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1381 Views
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