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Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM
Look at how many people loved the new Star Trek movie and the suspension of disbelief in that story was huge. Cadet to flag ship captain? But millions of people loved including the critics.

Why were people willing to accept an insubordinate, cheating cadet who was barred from even coming on the mission suddenly being made the captain of the brand new flag ship? Because they wanted him to be the captain. Why were they willing to accept the absurd manner that the original crew came together in this alternate timeline? Because they wanted them together. If you just story boarded the movie with no special effects and created it as new story unrelated to original it would be an absurd story line.

If you like the story and the direction it is going then the huge holes in the story get over looked, if you don't they they look like huge holes in the story.
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2347 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1192 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1063 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1216 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1135 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1164 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1069 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1104 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1105 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1119 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1175 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1180 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 520 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1248 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1068 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1103 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1088 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1113 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 624 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1090 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 507 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 600 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1076 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1155 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1112 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1077 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1083 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1183 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1079 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1368 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1119 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1175 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1079 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1031 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1083 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 508 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1053 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1079 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1051 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1059 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1084 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 1112 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 549 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1120 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1061 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1061 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1033 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1190 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1264 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1112 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1324 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1110 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1076 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1029 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1011 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1123 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1184 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 532 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 541 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 556 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 572 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1027 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1087 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1048 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1052 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1067 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 984 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1175 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1077 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1151 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1142 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1190 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1040 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1124 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 431 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1065 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1032 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 565 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 573 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1061 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 947 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1041 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1045 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1109 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 538 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1035 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1120 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1107 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1098 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1066 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 551 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1021 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1175 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1060 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 922 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1277 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1033 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1049 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 532 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1141 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 994 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1084 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1199 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 521 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 990 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1264 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1110 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1104 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1150 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 1030 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1044 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1097 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1195 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1178 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1049 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1136 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1102 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1070 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1149 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 534 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1100 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1006 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1167 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1033 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1205 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1285 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 956 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 755 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 555 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1019 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1281 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1051 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1044 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1181 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 561 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 511 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 762 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 558 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1397 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1159 Views
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