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No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas Send a noteboard - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM
Jordan excelled at the two-dimensional character: Nynaeve pulled her braid and wished she had good stout Two Rivers woolens. Oh, if only Lan were around.


Jordan is not the best ever fantasy writer and does not write the best and most nuanced characters, that's true; he doesn't compare to the likes of Kay. Nynaeve is no Dianora, and due to Jordan's extraordinary amount of PoV characters, we sometimes get PoV characters that don't have much depth. But to say he doesn't write any better characters than Brown on the whole is beyond absurd. Brown writes page-turner thrillers with the plot and the conspiracy theories overshadowing everything else, with character development way down the list of priorities. Even Langdon's character isn't really all that fleshed out, and even the short paragraphs that help describe his character and give him background are often plot-driven, like the story about falling into a well as a child to explain his claustrophobia. Whereas Nynaeve's character, to take your example, had some depth from the start, with various conflicting motivations and feelings - more so than comparable characters get in most other fantasy, to be honest, even if it obviously doesn't compare to more literary works - and went through some more or less believable evolutions as the story went on. You don't have to like the character to acknowledge that.

Now of course that doesn't mean Brown couldn't write better characters if he tried, to some extent it's his chosen genre that prevents him from fleshening characters out very much. But your statement that "Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's" is some fairly bad hyperbole and not even remotely accurate.
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2348 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1192 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1064 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1218 Views
In defense of italics... - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1135 Views
Re: In defense of italics... - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1164 Views
I just rechecked... - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1069 Views
Thereby... - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1105 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1106 Views
Oh probably - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1119 Views
Hehe - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1176 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1180 Views
Re: Thereby... - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1249 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1069 Views
That line is great - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1103 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1089 Views
Wow, the vehemence. - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1113 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 624 Views
Yes. - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1091 Views
burn *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 507 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 600 Views
So you say... - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1077 Views
No, he didn't. - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1156 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1113 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1078 Views
Except - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1084 Views
And ALSO except - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1183 Views
Re: And ALSO except - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1080 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1370 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1120 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1175 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1080 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1032 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1084 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 508 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1054 Views
Bull... - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1079 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1052 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1061 Views
It's not hyperbole. - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1085 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1121 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1062 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1062 Views
Then why defend him? - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1034 Views
No - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1190 Views
Examples. - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1265 Views
LOL - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1113 Views
Because he is shit? - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1325 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1110 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1076 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1030 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1012 Views
Also - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1124 Views
Hate is a strong word. - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1184 Views
Nicely put. *NM* - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 532 Views
*NM* - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 541 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 556 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 572 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1028 Views
I think so. - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1088 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1048 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1053 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1068 Views
Okay, fair enough. - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 985 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1176 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1077 Views
ooo, lock me baby! - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1152 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1143 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1191 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1042 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1124 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 431 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1065 Views
Yes it does - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1034 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 565 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 573 Views
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Oh, I am sorry. - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 947 Views
Well... - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1041 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1046 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1110 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 538 Views
Now, now. - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1036 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1120 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1108 Views
I'm indifferent to him - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1098 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1066 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 551 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1022 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1176 Views
Re: Rose - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1060 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 922 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1278 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1034 Views
He was over hyped to me. - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1049 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 994 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1084 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1199 Views
Yes! *NM* - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 521 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 990 Views
And move to a deserted island? - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1264 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1111 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1104 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1151 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1045 Views
I would hardly say I hate him - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1097 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1196 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1179 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1050 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1137 Views
Misplaced superiority. - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1103 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1071 Views
I couldn't say... - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1150 Views
It's pure literary snobbery - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1100 Views
I agree with you 100%. - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1007 Views
Very nice summary. - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1167 Views
That's more than a little unfair. - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1033 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1205 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 957 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 755 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 555 Views
I don't get it either. - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1020 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1281 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1051 Views
That was lovely, thank you! - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1044 Views
My pleasure - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1181 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 762 Views
How do you know? *NM* - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 558 Views
I pop in there on occasion. - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1398 Views
Oh, it's a job. - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1160 Views

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