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Re: A Dance With Dragons callandor1000 Send a noteboard - 25/03/2011 05:19:01 AM
wasnt this book supposed to come out years ago? yes, im familiar with the fact that it had to be redone due to structural issues, but since that info came out it seems like almost two years passed. im sorry but thats ridiculous...you are a professional author. theres no way youre pulling 4-6 hour days at a 2k word/day rate and not managing a full book per year, year and a half tops.

Seems to me that while Martin is faithful to his characters and his process, hes not particularly hard working, and thereby not faithful to his fans. theres a difference between being meticulous and being hardworking. i think martin is the former, but definitely not the latter. theres just no excuse. makes me lose interest in the series.

I think people must be in a pretty pathetic place in their lives to get riled up over how long it takes to read about a fictional world. I mean, really. Its not real. Its fake. If thats what upsets someone, they should seek help. Fast. Your life must suck. Chill out, relax, read it when it arrives.

It's not the wait that bothers people. Plenty of people wait much longer for much more desirable things. It's the fact that we've been dicked around for, depending on who you ask, as much as 11 years. Promised the book by the end of the year, only to find out that it's going to be another year after that.

It's disrespectful to fans, who are the basis of an author's livelihood.

All that said, a large number of people will go out and read adwd ANYWAY, bc Martin is just that good of a storyteller(although I'd bet good money that significantly fewer people will buy it in comparison to a few years ago). But that does not change the fact that he is a lazy ass who is treating his fans like crap, which is all this post is about, since a lot of people seem to be sympathetic with martin on account of his organizational problems.


Ok. If the only way he has treated them like crap was promising and being wrong about AFFC, then well damn, way to call a guy a dick about one mistake. Further, after that, he has never made a promise as to when he would finish a book. Probably because he felt like a dick for being wrong. Touche, Martin. Good man for not falling into the same trap. Otherwise, I can think of a way he's treated fans like crap. I don't feel personally offended by anything he's done. I don't believe he's sitting at home, in his office, white beard filled with ginger snap crumbs thinking "Hahaha, those stupid imbeciles. I'll make them wait until they can't wait no more! I shall be the best villain in the universe! Batman won't even be able to stop me". Sorry, but that just ain't whats up.

Contrast Martin with a guy like Sanderson. Granted Sanderson is a younger, hungrier writer looking to establish himself in the ssf world, but he worked his ass off to give both his fans and wot fans a book in one year. He did this partly so his own work wouldnt be forgotten and partly because he's just a decent guy who does his best to give back to the people who essentially write his paycheck.


Sanderson didn't write himself into a corner. He's taking over someone elses work that has an extensive outline and background material. Martin, is making up his outline, background material and stuff. Then he's writing the book. Little different, dontcha think?

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A Dance With Dragons MalkierKnight - 22/03/2011 11:43:01 PM 2471 Views
See, I disagree. Lady Mystery - 23/03/2011 01:05:59 AM 1587 Views
Also, I think we all know GRRM has more interest than just writing Dark Knight - 23/03/2011 05:06:34 AM 1462 Views
I would agree with you, but... Eh! Frank - 24/03/2011 06:59:14 AM 1383 Views
If that is true... MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 09:57:13 AM 1316 Views
... ? - 23/03/2011 01:17:57 AM 1462 Views
Yeah but, come on, 6 years? And 5 years for the book before that? *NM* Dark Knight - 23/03/2011 05:05:01 AM 667 Views
Yes that is longer than most... ? - 23/03/2011 08:31:57 PM 1365 Views
Many, many.. MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 09:58:28 AM 1507 Views
The way I see it ... Nate - 23/03/2011 03:59:35 AM 1469 Views
what this guy said. so true. not enough time in the day for all the cool stuff. i can wait *NM* temeraire - 23/03/2011 04:39:35 AM 764 Views
If people are upset with him, don't buy the book. Variant - 23/03/2011 07:52:02 AM 1349 Views
Re: If people are upset with him, don't buy the book. Fox and Ravens - 23/03/2011 01:22:09 PM 1274 Views
Do you guys literally have nothing else to read? Variant - 24/03/2011 06:40:51 AM 1244 Views
do you realize how little time is spent on whining and bitching? MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 10:06:16 AM 1256 Views
Well, you're spending time on it right now. *NM* Variant - 25/03/2011 03:35:10 AM 670 Views
Some is not necessarily a lot. Open a logic textbook. *NM* MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 12:18:38 PM 715 Views
Re: Do you guys literally have nothing else to read? Fox and Ravens - 24/03/2011 03:58:11 PM 1342 Views
Personally, I completely forgot about the series... Variant - 25/03/2011 03:46:58 AM 1280 Views
Re: Personally, I completely forgot about the series... MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 12:22:07 PM 1310 Views
No, that's not his attitude. Werthead - 24/03/2011 11:53:55 PM 1260 Views
The reason some authors say such things is.. Asharak - 28/03/2011 09:33:01 AM 1330 Views
yeah MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 10:02:38 AM 1322 Views
Re: Variant - 25/03/2011 03:55:58 AM 1283 Views
accidental double click >< *NM* MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 10:02:39 AM 706 Views
*complain* Japhy - 23/03/2011 10:19:33 PM 1388 Views
*sigh* MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 10:11:29 AM 1727 Views
Re: *sigh* callandor1000 - 24/03/2011 01:56:51 PM 1405 Views
Well MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 02:44:00 PM 1326 Views
Re: Well Werthead - 25/03/2011 12:17:08 AM 1343 Views
apparently you cant read... MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 12:37:51 AM 1383 Views
Seriously? You don't know how Jordan's illness manifested itself? Werthead - 25/03/2011 02:19:23 AM 1414 Views
I'm glad you mentioned LotR Japhy - 25/03/2011 03:21:46 AM 1305 Views
Can we please stop making baseless comparisons to Lord of the Rings? Thanks. Ghavrel - 25/03/2011 06:22:50 AM 1320 Views
And can we try to strive for accuracy in what we are saying? Thanks. Werthead - 25/03/2011 08:24:51 AM 1330 Views
Yeah, and im sure WWII, which his son was fighting in, wasn't a distraction at all MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 01:09:22 PM 1310 Views
He still went to work, bucko. Ghavrel - 25/03/2011 06:57:26 PM 1185 Views
Question Werthead - 25/03/2011 09:00:08 PM 1312 Views
You, uh, just started arguing my position. Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 10:55:19 AM 1163 Views
Are you seriously that naive? MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 01:07:39 PM 1467 Views
I think you're relying on math way too much to interpret the situation. Werthead - 25/03/2011 08:48:32 PM 1570 Views
Re: Are you seriously that naive? DomA - 25/03/2011 10:59:27 PM 1225 Views
Re: Well callandor1000 - 25/03/2011 05:08:25 AM 1485 Views
Re: Well MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 01:11:20 PM 1555 Views
Re: *complain* Fox and Ravens - 24/03/2011 04:01:39 PM 1247 Views
I think you're right, and I also think it doesn't matter A Deathwatch Guard - 24/03/2011 12:37:35 AM 1207 Views
i agree, however... MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 10:12:52 AM 1295 Views
I agree with some of that. rebelaessedai - 24/03/2011 01:12:10 AM 1336 Views
I don't care at all after so long a wait, but I do love watching the fanboys scramble to defend him. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/03/2011 01:20:15 AM 742 Views
^^^ This ^^^ *NM* The Doctor - 26/03/2011 11:32:40 AM 740 Views
He's lazy and selfish and has every right to be *NM* Deadsy - 24/03/2011 02:18:14 AM 715 Views
Your complaints would find more resonance if he hadn't announced a publication date yet. Tom - 24/03/2011 01:55:01 PM 1152 Views
I think you bring up a good point MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 03:35:34 PM 1241 Views
Re: A Dance With Dragons callandor1000 - 24/03/2011 02:06:48 PM 1343 Views
Re: A Dance With Dragons MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 03:08:27 PM 1268 Views
But Sanderson's book was a mess. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/03/2011 09:35:56 PM 651 Views
Was it really? Which one was this? *NM* rebelaessedai - 25/03/2011 03:40:58 AM 730 Views
ToM. Still was better than what Jordan was writing, though. Ghavrel - 25/03/2011 06:21:49 AM 1075 Views
Interesting. rebelaessedai - 27/03/2011 11:32:39 PM 1309 Views
I enjoyed them too! They were just a mess structurally. Ghavrel - 29/03/2011 01:54:57 AM 1283 Views
In some places, yeah. rebelaessedai - 29/03/2011 04:17:38 AM 1773 Views
I thought it was pretty damn good, personally. *NM* callandor1000 - 25/03/2011 05:13:25 AM 755 Views
I enjoyed it a lot more than I enjoyed any of Jordan's recent books. Ghavrel - 25/03/2011 06:20:47 AM 1354 Views
I enjoyed it immensely as well, but im still torn MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 03:07:59 PM 1288 Views
I'm torn too. rebelaessedai - 27/03/2011 11:34:35 PM 1464 Views
Re: A Dance With Dragons callandor1000 - 25/03/2011 05:19:01 AM 1385 Views
This thread is becoming vaguely ridiculous. Nate - 25/03/2011 01:31:40 PM 1372 Views
I think about half of the responses are just from Malkierknight. *NM* Japhy - 25/03/2011 05:11:18 PM 692 Views
These threads are always ridiculous. I'm both astounded & not at all surprised that there's another Rebekah - 25/03/2011 06:39:34 PM 1249 Views
EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE! Darth_Katie - 25/03/2011 08:28:10 PM 1201 Views
I love threads like these. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 10:53:38 AM 539 Views
Are you familiar with Minecraft? Ghavrel - 25/03/2011 07:05:56 PM 1252 Views
It always astounds me that the developers at Valve aren't hanging from street lamps outside their HQ Werthead - 25/03/2011 09:07:56 PM 1229 Views
Well, Valve time is really (in)famous. Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 10:50:55 AM 1469 Views
Whoops. CNRedDragon - 26/03/2011 09:25:28 PM 1220 Views
I'd delete it for you to tidy up, but I think two posts by CNRedDragon is a good thing. *NM* Rebekah - 27/03/2011 07:49:55 AM 637 Views
What is this I don't even. Nate - 27/03/2011 08:03:59 AM 1095 Views
Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you Stephen - 25/03/2011 03:46:00 PM 1259 Views
Re: Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 04:31:31 PM 1462 Views
Re: Your math up above Nate - 25/03/2011 04:45:23 PM 1262 Views
If you redo it ... Nate - 25/03/2011 04:57:29 PM 1263 Views
Re: Your math up above MalkierKnight - 26/03/2011 02:43:03 PM 1427 Views
That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down. Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 04:22:24 PM 1193 Views
I used a smiley and everything! Nate - 26/03/2011 04:52:48 PM 1409 Views
That's a great line. Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 07:01:42 PM 1191 Views
Re: That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down. MalkierKnight - 26/03/2011 05:09:19 PM 1397 Views
When you see people like Nate, Tash, or Rebekah, you don't have to worry. Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 06:59:01 PM 1216 Views
I see that I need to work on my reputation. Rebekah - 28/03/2011 05:49:30 PM 1305 Views
Perhaps it is the same as one does not speak ill of fairies or elves. Stephen - 28/03/2011 11:22:17 PM 1250 Views
YEAH YOU'RE A TERRIBLE ADMIN Ghavrel - 29/03/2011 01:58:41 AM 1220 Views
A very wise man once informed people that George R. R. Martin is not their bitch. CNRedDragon - 26/03/2011 09:26:15 PM 1288 Views
How very true. *NM* Stephen - 26/03/2011 10:19:59 PM 665 Views
He hasn't only been working on A Dance With Dreams. So Chill Already! *NM* Nolan - 27/03/2011 04:26:17 PM 724 Views
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