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Re: A Dance With Dragons callandor1000 Send a noteboard - 25/03/2011 05:19:01 AM
wasnt this book supposed to come out years ago? yes, im familiar with the fact that it had to be redone due to structural issues, but since that info came out it seems like almost two years passed. im sorry but thats ridiculous...you are a professional author. theres no way youre pulling 4-6 hour days at a 2k word/day rate and not managing a full book per year, year and a half tops.

Seems to me that while Martin is faithful to his characters and his process, hes not particularly hard working, and thereby not faithful to his fans. theres a difference between being meticulous and being hardworking. i think martin is the former, but definitely not the latter. theres just no excuse. makes me lose interest in the series.

I think people must be in a pretty pathetic place in their lives to get riled up over how long it takes to read about a fictional world. I mean, really. Its not real. Its fake. If thats what upsets someone, they should seek help. Fast. Your life must suck. Chill out, relax, read it when it arrives.

It's not the wait that bothers people. Plenty of people wait much longer for much more desirable things. It's the fact that we've been dicked around for, depending on who you ask, as much as 11 years. Promised the book by the end of the year, only to find out that it's going to be another year after that.

It's disrespectful to fans, who are the basis of an author's livelihood.

All that said, a large number of people will go out and read adwd ANYWAY, bc Martin is just that good of a storyteller(although I'd bet good money that significantly fewer people will buy it in comparison to a few years ago). But that does not change the fact that he is a lazy ass who is treating his fans like crap, which is all this post is about, since a lot of people seem to be sympathetic with martin on account of his organizational problems.


Ok. If the only way he has treated them like crap was promising and being wrong about AFFC, then well damn, way to call a guy a dick about one mistake. Further, after that, he has never made a promise as to when he would finish a book. Probably because he felt like a dick for being wrong. Touche, Martin. Good man for not falling into the same trap. Otherwise, I can think of a way he's treated fans like crap. I don't feel personally offended by anything he's done. I don't believe he's sitting at home, in his office, white beard filled with ginger snap crumbs thinking "Hahaha, those stupid imbeciles. I'll make them wait until they can't wait no more! I shall be the best villain in the universe! Batman won't even be able to stop me". Sorry, but that just ain't whats up.

Contrast Martin with a guy like Sanderson. Granted Sanderson is a younger, hungrier writer looking to establish himself in the ssf world, but he worked his ass off to give both his fans and wot fans a book in one year. He did this partly so his own work wouldnt be forgotten and partly because he's just a decent guy who does his best to give back to the people who essentially write his paycheck.


Sanderson didn't write himself into a corner. He's taking over someone elses work that has an extensive outline and background material. Martin, is making up his outline, background material and stuff. Then he's writing the book. Little different, dontcha think?

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A Dance With Dragons MalkierKnight - 22/03/2011 11:43:01 PM 2474 Views
See, I disagree. Lady Mystery - 23/03/2011 01:05:59 AM 1594 Views
Also, I think we all know GRRM has more interest than just writing Dark Knight - 23/03/2011 05:06:34 AM 1467 Views
I would agree with you, but... Eh! Frank - 24/03/2011 06:59:14 AM 1387 Views
If that is true... MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 09:57:13 AM 1322 Views
... ? - 23/03/2011 01:17:57 AM 1466 Views
Yeah but, come on, 6 years? And 5 years for the book before that? *NM* Dark Knight - 23/03/2011 05:05:01 AM 671 Views
Yes that is longer than most... ? - 23/03/2011 08:31:57 PM 1369 Views
Many, many.. MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 09:58:28 AM 1513 Views
The way I see it ... Nate - 23/03/2011 03:59:35 AM 1472 Views
what this guy said. so true. not enough time in the day for all the cool stuff. i can wait *NM* temeraire - 23/03/2011 04:39:35 AM 768 Views
If people are upset with him, don't buy the book. Variant - 23/03/2011 07:52:02 AM 1353 Views
Re: If people are upset with him, don't buy the book. Fox and Ravens - 23/03/2011 01:22:09 PM 1277 Views
Do you guys literally have nothing else to read? Variant - 24/03/2011 06:40:51 AM 1248 Views
do you realize how little time is spent on whining and bitching? MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 10:06:16 AM 1262 Views
Well, you're spending time on it right now. *NM* Variant - 25/03/2011 03:35:10 AM 673 Views
Some is not necessarily a lot. Open a logic textbook. *NM* MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 12:18:38 PM 719 Views
Re: Do you guys literally have nothing else to read? Fox and Ravens - 24/03/2011 03:58:11 PM 1346 Views
Personally, I completely forgot about the series... Variant - 25/03/2011 03:46:58 AM 1284 Views
Re: Personally, I completely forgot about the series... MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 12:22:07 PM 1313 Views
No, that's not his attitude. Werthead - 24/03/2011 11:53:55 PM 1265 Views
The reason some authors say such things is.. Asharak - 28/03/2011 09:33:01 AM 1333 Views
yeah MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 10:02:38 AM 1326 Views
Re: Variant - 25/03/2011 03:55:58 AM 1286 Views
accidental double click >< *NM* MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 10:02:39 AM 710 Views
*complain* Japhy - 23/03/2011 10:19:33 PM 1391 Views
*sigh* MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 10:11:29 AM 1730 Views
Re: *sigh* callandor1000 - 24/03/2011 01:56:51 PM 1409 Views
Well MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 02:44:00 PM 1331 Views
Re: Well Werthead - 25/03/2011 12:17:08 AM 1347 Views
apparently you cant read... MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 12:37:51 AM 1386 Views
Seriously? You don't know how Jordan's illness manifested itself? Werthead - 25/03/2011 02:19:23 AM 1417 Views
I'm glad you mentioned LotR Japhy - 25/03/2011 03:21:46 AM 1308 Views
Can we please stop making baseless comparisons to Lord of the Rings? Thanks. Ghavrel - 25/03/2011 06:22:50 AM 1323 Views
And can we try to strive for accuracy in what we are saying? Thanks. Werthead - 25/03/2011 08:24:51 AM 1339 Views
Yeah, and im sure WWII, which his son was fighting in, wasn't a distraction at all MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 01:09:22 PM 1315 Views
He still went to work, bucko. Ghavrel - 25/03/2011 06:57:26 PM 1188 Views
Question Werthead - 25/03/2011 09:00:08 PM 1316 Views
You, uh, just started arguing my position. Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 10:55:19 AM 1166 Views
Are you seriously that naive? MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 01:07:39 PM 1472 Views
I think you're relying on math way too much to interpret the situation. Werthead - 25/03/2011 08:48:32 PM 1573 Views
Re: Are you seriously that naive? DomA - 25/03/2011 10:59:27 PM 1228 Views
Re: Well callandor1000 - 25/03/2011 05:08:25 AM 1490 Views
Re: Well MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 01:11:20 PM 1557 Views
Re: *complain* Fox and Ravens - 24/03/2011 04:01:39 PM 1250 Views
I think you're right, and I also think it doesn't matter A Deathwatch Guard - 24/03/2011 12:37:35 AM 1210 Views
i agree, however... MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 10:12:52 AM 1298 Views
I agree with some of that. rebelaessedai - 24/03/2011 01:12:10 AM 1340 Views
I don't care at all after so long a wait, but I do love watching the fanboys scramble to defend him. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/03/2011 01:20:15 AM 744 Views
^^^ This ^^^ *NM* The Doctor - 26/03/2011 11:32:40 AM 741 Views
He's lazy and selfish and has every right to be *NM* Deadsy - 24/03/2011 02:18:14 AM 719 Views
Your complaints would find more resonance if he hadn't announced a publication date yet. Tom - 24/03/2011 01:55:01 PM 1155 Views
I think you bring up a good point MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 03:35:34 PM 1246 Views
Re: A Dance With Dragons callandor1000 - 24/03/2011 02:06:48 PM 1348 Views
Re: A Dance With Dragons MalkierKnight - 24/03/2011 03:08:27 PM 1272 Views
But Sanderson's book was a mess. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/03/2011 09:35:56 PM 655 Views
Was it really? Which one was this? *NM* rebelaessedai - 25/03/2011 03:40:58 AM 733 Views
ToM. Still was better than what Jordan was writing, though. Ghavrel - 25/03/2011 06:21:49 AM 1078 Views
Interesting. rebelaessedai - 27/03/2011 11:32:39 PM 1313 Views
I enjoyed them too! They were just a mess structurally. Ghavrel - 29/03/2011 01:54:57 AM 1289 Views
In some places, yeah. rebelaessedai - 29/03/2011 04:17:38 AM 1776 Views
I thought it was pretty damn good, personally. *NM* callandor1000 - 25/03/2011 05:13:25 AM 759 Views
I enjoyed it a lot more than I enjoyed any of Jordan's recent books. Ghavrel - 25/03/2011 06:20:47 AM 1359 Views
I enjoyed it immensely as well, but im still torn MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 03:07:59 PM 1291 Views
I'm torn too. rebelaessedai - 27/03/2011 11:34:35 PM 1469 Views
Re: A Dance With Dragons callandor1000 - 25/03/2011 05:19:01 AM 1389 Views
This thread is becoming vaguely ridiculous. Nate - 25/03/2011 01:31:40 PM 1376 Views
I think about half of the responses are just from Malkierknight. *NM* Japhy - 25/03/2011 05:11:18 PM 695 Views
These threads are always ridiculous. I'm both astounded & not at all surprised that there's another Rebekah - 25/03/2011 06:39:34 PM 1252 Views
EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE! Darth_Katie - 25/03/2011 08:28:10 PM 1205 Views
I love threads like these. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 10:53:38 AM 543 Views
Are you familiar with Minecraft? Ghavrel - 25/03/2011 07:05:56 PM 1255 Views
It always astounds me that the developers at Valve aren't hanging from street lamps outside their HQ Werthead - 25/03/2011 09:07:56 PM 1234 Views
Well, Valve time is really (in)famous. Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 10:50:55 AM 1472 Views
Whoops. CNRedDragon - 26/03/2011 09:25:28 PM 1224 Views
I'd delete it for you to tidy up, but I think two posts by CNRedDragon is a good thing. *NM* Rebekah - 27/03/2011 07:49:55 AM 641 Views
What is this I don't even. Nate - 27/03/2011 08:03:59 AM 1100 Views
Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you Stephen - 25/03/2011 03:46:00 PM 1263 Views
Re: Jaysus, it's not like he's maliciously holding back the book on you MalkierKnight - 25/03/2011 04:31:31 PM 1466 Views
Re: Your math up above Nate - 25/03/2011 04:45:23 PM 1265 Views
If you redo it ... Nate - 25/03/2011 04:57:29 PM 1267 Views
Re: Your math up above MalkierKnight - 26/03/2011 02:43:03 PM 1431 Views
That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down. Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 04:22:24 PM 1196 Views
I used a smiley and everything! Nate - 26/03/2011 04:52:48 PM 1411 Views
That's a great line. Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 07:01:42 PM 1193 Views
Re: That was gentle ribbing, not ad hom. Calm down. MalkierKnight - 26/03/2011 05:09:19 PM 1401 Views
When you see people like Nate, Tash, or Rebekah, you don't have to worry. Ghavrel - 26/03/2011 06:59:01 PM 1220 Views
I see that I need to work on my reputation. Rebekah - 28/03/2011 05:49:30 PM 1309 Views
Perhaps it is the same as one does not speak ill of fairies or elves. Stephen - 28/03/2011 11:22:17 PM 1253 Views
YEAH YOU'RE A TERRIBLE ADMIN Ghavrel - 29/03/2011 01:58:41 AM 1225 Views
A very wise man once informed people that George R. R. Martin is not their bitch. CNRedDragon - 26/03/2011 09:26:15 PM 1293 Views
How very true. *NM* Stephen - 26/03/2011 10:19:59 PM 668 Views
He hasn't only been working on A Dance With Dreams. So Chill Already! *NM* Nolan - 27/03/2011 04:26:17 PM 728 Views
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