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It's only superficially postmodern though, else there'd be no wistfulness for Victorian styles. Joel Send a noteboard - 22/04/2011 03:17:38 PM
As far as a "reasonable reason for its anachronistic presence", there isn't one, and according roughly to postmodern precepts, there needn't be. The only criterion they use if it looks cool or not. The lack of "reasonable reason" should indicate that it's postmodernism doing the appropriating, not the other way around. It's not terribly deep, but I'm not arguing that and I'm not concerned with depth.
It just feels a little off to me, most of the time, when we aren't given a reasonable reason for its anachronistic presence. I mean, if I went to Lascaux and saw paintings of cave men tooling around in a '57 Chevy my first reaction wouldn't be "how imaginative". :P

Most steampunk I've seen not only accepts but celebrates Victorian norms and styles in a way not postmodern at all, and especially glaring since postmodernism was born as a rejection of the Victorian Age from the superficial down to the most fundamental level. Rejecting modern mores and principles as inadequate and false is very postmodern--unless one affirms older mores and principles in their place; that's just nostalgia. I tried to avoid calling it "escapism", but now escapism is being argued as a virtue, leading me to again wonder if it's not as simple whistling in the dark because the future is scary.

I remain dubious of debating whether algebra is better than math, but the arguments here suggest any comparison must be aesthetic because steampunk is only aesthetics. I'm somewhat dubious of that as well, but if we must debate which is better, that ought to decide the matter. We can question past or present values, or assert value itself as subjective and independent of era, but trading one set of superficial empty values for another is nihilist absurdism not only lacking but denying depth. What can I say? I'm too old to be content with looking cool, but if that's all we're doing I'm definitely too old to debate which fad is best. At the risk of more postmodernism, I think we should look for meaning almost anywhere, whether as readers or authors.
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The Sprawl Trilogy and Thoughts Thereof (or What Ever Happened to Cyberpunk?) - 19/04/2011 10:50:26 PM 2650 Views
Why I prefer cyberpunk in near future settings to (most) of the steampunk sub-genre. - 19/04/2011 10:55:57 PM 1477 Views
The difference is that steampunk, by and large, is very aware of its implausibility. - 20/04/2011 01:32:57 AM 1025 Views
I think it's just a matter of two separate genres that share very similar names and perhaps origins. - 20/04/2011 01:32:50 AM 1189 Views
It's hard to argue that the genres are separate, but I did try to avoid suggesting a competition. - 20/04/2011 03:08:49 AM 1219 Views
Ok, what are you trying to argue for and/or explore in this thread? There are three options: - 20/04/2011 04:22:52 AM 1133 Views
It is under-appreciated critically, largely due to relative unpopularity. - 20/04/2011 06:35:27 AM 1331 Views
"Victorian Postmodernism" is viable because Postmodernism can appropriate other periods and styles. - 21/04/2011 01:13:45 AM 1112 Views
But can other periods and styles appropriate postmodernism? - 21/04/2011 07:38:29 PM 1182 Views
I don't think it's a two-way street in that manner. It's PoMo appropriating Victorian not vice versa - 21/04/2011 11:40:29 PM 1177 Views
It's only superficially postmodern though, else there'd be no wistfulness for Victorian styles. - 22/04/2011 03:17:38 PM 1207 Views
IMO, cyberpunk has become somewhat dated. - 20/04/2011 04:46:55 AM 1260 Views
Actually, I can live with that, though terms like "dated" invite trouble. - 20/04/2011 07:01:50 AM 1113 Views
Re: Actually, I can live with that, though terms like "dated" invite trouble. - 22/04/2011 04:12:20 AM 1181 Views
No, I took your point. - 22/04/2011 03:43:18 PM 1284 Views
so...is bladerunner cyberpunk - 20/04/2011 09:48:15 PM 984 Views
It's usually seen as the archetypal cyberpunk film, yeah. - 21/04/2011 10:50:44 AM 1301 Views
so cyber is the time and punk is the attitude? - 21/04/2011 12:57:01 PM 1086 Views
I don't think the portmanteau is that precisely defined. - 21/04/2011 08:31:34 PM 1236 Views
I am amazed that no one has referenced this TVTropes page yet... - 23/04/2011 07:45:14 PM 1490 Views
Playing with fire; I should've known TVTropes would exhaustively cover the derivatives. - 24/04/2011 03:11:56 AM 1410 Views
It's always hard to pigeonhole things, especially as they become more specific - 24/04/2011 06:27:28 PM 1048 Views
Precisely. - 26/04/2011 03:04:54 AM 1405 Views
The "dated" idea is interesting. - 23/04/2011 08:08:26 PM 1125 Views
PS the Takeshi Kovacs books are great, and you should all go read them *NM* - 23/04/2011 08:09:54 PM 479 Views
I'll add it to the list then, thanks. *MN* - 24/04/2011 03:19:09 AM 995 Views

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