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Sure. rebelaessedai Send a noteboard - 13/12/2011 07:30:56 AM
Most fantasy authors are formulaic and derivative. Most of them have nothing more than a few "oh, that's an interesting idea" moments in their books. There are exceptions. One exception that I mention frequently is Solaris by Stanislaw Lem, which is a profound book regardless of how you want to characterize it.

I suspect you're going to find a lot more relevant science fiction than you will relevant fantasy, because science fiction has so many more ways to be relevant, from dystopian warning novels like 1984 or We or Fahrenheit 451 or Brave New World (all of which are probably literature with the possible exception of the last, which is pretty weak), to heavier science fiction like Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov (or Lem, as I previously mentioned).

Fantasy, by its very nature, tends to escapism or absurdity. Once you drop down dragons or elves or fairies or Canadians, the relevance to the real world diminishes automatically. Yes, you can have parables, or fairy tale-type stories with a moral (this is where children's fantasy actually thrives, like the Narnia books or the Harry Potter ones, both of which have value in the realm of children's literature), but chances are if you're writing that type of story you're not doing it to comment on the human condition.


I think it's interesting that you use the term "relevant". I don't think that's necessarily the same thing as commenting on the human condition. You can do that through any medium. I was having a conversation about the game Skyrim with my husband regarding this very subject. I've heard you say that gaming is a waste of time. But one of the decisions I recently had to make in playing the game was reflective of real life decisions in that either way I chose I would not be on the "good" or "evil" side. Either way I chose, people I knew and cared for would have to suffer, all for no more than who they chose to follow to lead their country. Good games can incorporate these kinds of choices, where your character has to live with the consequences of their actions.
Same with books, really, of any kind. I know what you're talking about when you refer to those formulaic fantasy or even scifi books- believe me, I've seen a lot of those, too. But have you ever read The Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons? Deep, thought-provoking mixture of science fiction and fantasy that I think should be a classic. I know you've heard Anastasia and I both mention Wraeththu by Storm Constantine. Probably a bit flowery language for your taste, but I was really questioning my place in the universe and the nature of love at the end of that. Something as deceptively simple as Beagle's The Last Unicorn, even. It's a cliched question but is it better to have loved and lost? Doesn't it speak to you about what it truly means to be human? Even something like Ender's Game by Card. I wrote my tenth grade final on this book- it was the only book I enjoyed reading all year because it wasn't Sheakespeare or Camus or Kafka making me want to go off myself. I wrote another paper the next year comparing and contrasting the meaning of "fate" in Gaiman's Neverwhere and Wiesel's Night.
There is plenty of genre fiction with meaning out there. I could go on and on and I'm sure there are plenty others who could as well. These are just some examples of things that I've personally found meaning in. I don't mind if it's not your cup of tea, but I also want to make the point that a lot of what I read has intellectual value as well.
Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position. - Bill Maher
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Aren't the Tolkien comparisons getting a little...old? - 09/12/2011 09:51:39 PM 3028 Views
The comparison bothers me, but not because Tolkien isn't relevant. - 09/12/2011 10:05:22 PM 1880 Views
I agree with this. - 09/12/2011 10:21:34 PM 1921 Views
Re: I agree with this. - 10/12/2011 07:09:33 PM 1850 Views
Exactly *NM* - 12/12/2011 12:09:19 PM 993 Views
Only when shit works are being compared to him - 09/12/2011 10:22:26 PM 1776 Views
Larry, - 10/12/2011 01:13:18 AM 1794 Views
Snide dismissal that will be passed off as for his own entertainment. - 10/12/2011 04:55:43 AM 1714 Views
We get a lot of that around here. *NM* - 10/12/2011 05:18:01 AM 755 Views
makes me wonder... - 10/12/2011 04:37:33 PM 1699 Views
Re: makes me wonder... - 11/12/2011 03:03:15 AM 1652 Views
Well-deserved condescension. - 11/12/2011 03:54:27 AM 1863 Views
You're sure about that? - 11/12/2011 04:20:26 AM 2052 Views
Re: You're sure about that? - 11/12/2011 05:25:08 AM 1776 Views
Re: You're sure about that? - 11/12/2011 06:03:02 AM 1651 Views
i think you shouldn't judge a whole world's school programs on your school - 11/12/2011 06:42:30 AM 1682 Views
Yeah, I'm limited in my knowledge, lol - 11/12/2011 08:03:26 AM 1712 Views
My school was...not great. - 11/12/2011 04:02:36 PM 1739 Views
I'm 24. - 11/12/2011 03:49:06 PM 1651 Views
If you're arguing that children should be able to read genre fiction, fine. - 11/12/2011 08:52:27 PM 1580 Views
Well, I suppose it depends on the type of genre being read - 11/12/2011 09:36:16 PM 1813 Views
How often do you hear the challenging writers mentioned at this site? - 12/12/2011 02:03:05 PM 1543 Views
Only when you, me, and a couple others write reviews - 12/12/2011 04:21:14 PM 1959 Views
Oh, it was the same as it always is - 12/12/2011 05:23:56 PM 1631 Views
True - 12/12/2011 06:29:10 PM 1750 Views
One note - 13/12/2011 12:17:48 AM 1758 Views
Perhaps - 13/12/2011 12:49:34 AM 1681 Views
*Sighs* Such is the plight of those shining few intelects... - 23/12/2011 01:15:47 AM 1726 Views
Much of the actual "Classics", that is, Greek and Latin originals, kids would eat up. - 12/12/2011 03:13:03 AM 1557 Views
Try teaching Apuleius in schools... *NM* - 12/12/2011 04:12:49 AM 873 Views
Plato is exciting, brutal and scandalous? - 12/12/2011 09:59:13 PM 1631 Views
You're upfront and honest about it; he isn't. The difference matters to me. *NM* - 11/12/2011 05:18:42 AM 923 Views
Uhh...uh... - 11/12/2011 05:34:23 AM 1664 Views
this is a bit off topic, but out of curiousity... - 11/12/2011 06:28:35 AM 1766 Views
There are no special snowflakes, are there? - 11/12/2011 09:39:21 PM 1578 Views
There are many way of widening one's horizons and broadening one's mind. - 11/12/2011 10:08:24 PM 1330 Views
I said as much in my comment - 11/12/2011 10:20:03 PM 1601 Views
What I don't like- - 12/12/2011 04:28:55 AM 1685 Views
Why don't you name something, then? - 12/12/2011 04:40:29 AM 1641 Views
Sure. - 13/12/2011 07:30:56 AM 1475 Views
Mentioning Ender's Game pretty much shot your argument in the foot. - 13/12/2011 02:02:59 PM 1577 Views
You dismiss the entire video game medium because many games lack value. - 13/12/2011 03:59:11 PM 1727 Views
You're like the McDonald's paid advocate trying to say Big Macs are actually healthy. - 13/12/2011 05:46:37 PM 1538 Views
McDonalds food is inherently unhealthy. - 13/12/2011 06:02:18 PM 1689 Views
For the sake of argument ... - 13/12/2011 04:09:51 PM 1581 Views
Stephenson is not literature, that's for damn sure. - 13/12/2011 05:49:24 PM 1529 Views
Thank you, The Voice of Lews Therin. *NM* - 16/12/2011 05:14:42 AM 935 Views
I'll leave it up to others to define as they wish against their self-conceptions of me - 10/12/2011 10:52:54 AM 1693 Views
that's alright. I really have no desire to stroke your twit-ego. *NM* - 10/12/2011 04:36:56 PM 723 Views
Considering the firestorm I appear to have touched off, that may be best. - 12/12/2011 12:57:49 PM 1670 Views
I know, John - 12/12/2011 04:27:04 PM 1571 Views
Re: I know, John - 12/12/2011 05:06:26 PM 1635 Views
As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% - 12/12/2011 06:33:52 PM 1554 Views
Re: As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% - 12/12/2011 07:13:37 PM 1632 Views
Same guy - 12/12/2011 07:26:13 PM 1697 Views
Ha! Excellent point. *NM* - 11/12/2011 03:44:52 AM 865 Views
I have to agree. - 09/12/2011 10:54:06 PM 1684 Views
They're there for marketing - 10/12/2011 12:20:17 AM 1671 Views
Most of those comparisons are like that anyway - 10/12/2011 05:32:45 PM 1807 Views
Maybe if so much of the genre weren't crap derivative works it wouldn't be so common. *NM* - 11/12/2011 03:44:24 AM 855 Views
To be fair, a lot of it isn't. - 11/12/2011 04:06:07 AM 1607 Views
I suspect that if it really isn't derivative it's not being compared to Tolkien in the first place. - 11/12/2011 04:18:57 AM 1554 Views
That's true. - 11/12/2011 11:08:01 AM 1538 Views
Maybe they mean something else by using his name. - 11/12/2011 03:50:15 AM 1642 Views
When they don't work, yes. - 11/12/2011 03:18:44 PM 1635 Views
The Tolkien fanaticism gets old. And yes, for me it is unreadable. - 11/12/2011 11:37:53 PM 1613 Views
Yes *NM* - 22/12/2011 07:08:38 PM 984 Views

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