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That's my general take as well Larry Send a noteboard - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM
I ask this because for the most part my observation of such is that "gritty" has meant the inclusion of detailed descriptions of violence, sexuality, profanity, etc (usually all rolled up into one) to enhance "realism" when the effect to me comes across as shock-value entertainment with no real purpose other than the spectactle of itself.

If people want that kind of shock entertainment, that's perfectly fine: indeed, I'm happy they have a source from which to indulge their interests.

For myself, however, the most notorious authors of such works (Goodkind, Martin, Bakker) have been the only authors whose books I never enjoyed and have been the only series I've never finished reading. In particular, I disliked Bakker so much I had to resort to skimming the latter half of the first book just to find out out happens when the description of the book and premise of the series is one I would normally find extremely interesting.


Although I do think Bakker does try to use this over the top violence to make a point about our dependence on violence as a resort (among a great many other things), I usually feel down a bit after reading his work because it is too unrelenting in its pessimistic view of human nature. Martin I think is doing more than just having violence for violence's sake, but I think much of those memorable scenes stem more from his background as a horror writer than any conscious attempt to be "gritty" (a term I despise and usually put in scare quotes to note this). Goodkind is just a horrid writer, both in talent and in content.
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Hm, ok. - 17/12/2011 10:51:21 PM 1531 Views
I think we largely agree - 17/12/2011 11:23:00 PM 1383 Views
Re: Hm, ok. - 26/12/2011 01:08:14 AM 1396 Views
Martin, Goodkind... - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM 1391 Views
More than just those - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM 1286 Views
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On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM 1245 Views
There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 03:47:56 PM 1413 Views
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And that makes sense? - 20/12/2011 08:54:16 AM 1476 Views
Yes and no. - 20/12/2011 03:10:54 PM 1465 Views
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Re: There has to be something more, though. - 20/12/2011 12:21:39 PM 1211 Views
That's a question for each reader to answer then. - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM 1100 Views
You appear to have not understood my point. - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM 1131 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 26/12/2011 03:14:04 AM 1233 Views
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That's my general take as well - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM 1195 Views
I like violence *NM* - 20/12/2011 07:51:39 PM 596 Views
Re: Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" - 25/12/2011 11:52:41 PM 1414 Views

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