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Yes, well, I was semi-serious with the "pretending to understand Italian". Legolas Send a noteboard - 21/03/2012 07:58:35 PM
I did more or less try to read their other article, but only skimmed over the one with the quotes - guess I should fix that oversight, but Dante is rather hard to read than simple modern Italian. There's only so much I can make of those passages.
The people complaining are really full of shit. If anything, it's less plausible than that repellent anti-Tolkien rant by that stupid bitch a few weeks ago. The passage about Judas being chewed is interpreted liberally as "anti-Semitic" - I wonder if that makes Dante anti-Italian as well considering the other two traitors being chewed are Cassius and Brutus? Essentially, the anti-Semitism is simply in the fact that Dante has the betrayer of Christ in the maw of Satan, and these dipshits have extrapolated that to blanket anti-Semitism (I wonder what their opinion of the New Testament is?).

I was under the impression the Giuda-Giudecca thing was a big factor in their claims of anti-Semitism - and the associations it created. I dare say Dante wasn't the first to make that pseudo-etymological link, but calling the deepest layer of Hell the "Giudecca" does rather suggest anti-semitism to me that goes beyond the person of Judas. That said, see next paragraph.
The Muhammed phrase is cited solely because he's rendered in half the same way that all sowers of dissension are, and that some comparison is made to a wineskin, and wine is "not permitted in Islamic law". That is extrapolated to show "a lack of respect for Islam", despite the fact that, as you pointed out Averroes is in with virtuous non-Christians and other Islamic influences were brought to bear, and that, given the times he was writing in, Dante is actually not all that anti-Muslim.

I don't think it's these guys' contention that Dante was particularly Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, homophobic or offensive by the standards of his time (indeed, that would have been a rather difficult thesis to defend even if he'd been still worse than he is). Their point is that those passages are all those things by modern standards, and that Italian education rather fails at putting them in their proper historical perspective. Which, as I noted elsewhere, is of course not a statement that we can easily verify.

Essentially, they're grasping at straws just to get some controversy. People like that deserve to be dumped into raw sewage and forgotten.

There is certainly something gratuitous about this thing in the way they thrive off the publicity created by the suggestion of removing Dante from the compulsory curriculum. An intentional provocation to guarantee them media attention for their rather less revolutionary goals (and media attention for whatever other projects they may have going in the bargain). But they're not nearly so foolish as you make them out to be.
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Divine Comedy is "offensive and discriminatory", says Italian NGO - 20/03/2012 07:25:08 PM 1284 Views
Duh? - 20/03/2012 07:38:41 PM 742 Views
It does kind of feel like we should know more about how it's taught in Italian schools. - 20/03/2012 07:50:36 PM 676 Views
The most ignorant statement of the day. - 21/03/2012 04:48:39 PM 1099 Views
Re: The most ignorant statement of the day. - 21/03/2012 07:42:54 PM 698 Views
Isn't the fundamental basis of Christanity mutually exclusive to Judaism and Islam? - 20/03/2012 08:33:51 PM 661 Views
That's a really good point that I hadn't considered. I agree. *NM* - 22/03/2012 09:05:00 AM 299 Views
Excellent point. - 22/03/2012 11:44:36 PM 1312 Views
I don't see why that would be the case - 23/03/2012 01:44:49 AM 723 Views
Just because someone is in Hell doesn't mean you should discriminate against them - 20/03/2012 08:23:22 PM 804 Views
Not having read any Dante is kind of hurting my ability to reply to that. - 20/03/2012 10:08:52 PM 1035 Views
Odd, considering you linked the "offending passages" - 20/03/2012 11:54:34 PM 712 Views
Yes, well, I was semi-serious with the "pretending to understand Italian". - 21/03/2012 07:58:35 PM 691 Views
The last part of Hell is Giudecca because of Judas. - 21/03/2012 10:30:36 PM 774 Views
And you don't see what's offensive about that? - 21/03/2012 11:11:16 PM 664 Views
It was only a matter of time. I wonder, when will it end? - 20/03/2012 08:42:42 PM 1027 Views
I saw that. Seems a little misguided - 21/03/2012 07:04:06 AM 678 Views
That's the understatement of the year. - 21/03/2012 01:23:14 PM 676 Views
I think that sometimes people take "politicly correct" tooooo far... *NM* - 21/03/2012 08:20:31 AM 394 Views
Dante was also anit-italian by there logic. - 21/03/2012 04:53:50 PM 747 Views
It is the nature of comedy to be offensive. - 21/03/2012 08:42:09 PM 929 Views
Let me sum up my opinion on this as succinctly and clearly as I can: - 21/03/2012 11:50:37 PM 656 Views

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