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Re: Was that meant to make any sense? Larry Send a noteboard - 11/09/2012 01:54:23 AM
Now you just sound like some wine snob going on about gooseberries, summer mornings, a hint of rose but with deep woody charcoal aftertase...


I'd settle for a nice Tokaj right about now, but only Boone's Farm is available where I live :(

...it's just wine drink it, if you don't like it, drink something else. If you want to elevate it to something more than that, go wild, have a ball, but dont expect the rest of society to join you on that journey. People generally drink wine to get tipsy to a greater or lesser extent, and wine snobs or 'experts' if you will may harp on about all the so called virtues of the wine, but to the majority as long as it hits the spot, job done. People generally read books to enjoy a story, it's no different.


I think the intended thrust of the post was lost somewhere, maybe on the way to Albuquerque. Some people understand why they enjoy something (or don't) and that makes their enjoyment deeper. What's so hard about accepting that point?

In so many fields were people analyse to the nth degree, they lose sight of what the majority are looking for. Fashionistas, go on about empowerment, colour style blah blah blah, does it cover us, look good and get us laid? Yup job done. Do films amuse, entertain, occaisonally inform? Yup, job done. Gastronomy may wax lyrical about flavouring and ingredients and harmony and all the rest, but to most people, did it tatse good and was it filling? Yup job done.


Ah, you're tilting against windmills here. You need a Sancho at your side.

I have no idea what your first paragraph said, seriously, I regard it with the same smile of amusement I hold for those wine peeps. Your original question was "How these are popular with so many is what I am trying to understand." The answer is exactly what I said it was, easy, fun, entertaining read.


You realize that my comment was a rhetorical one, right? I clarified it in response to Stephen.

Perhaps the real question should be - why are you so unwilling to accept that people read books for fun and stories, and as long as that is achieved, it is 'well' written. You mock your own love of wrestling, yet whilst I dont watch wrestling these days, and haven't for years, I would still regard it as one of the best produced pieces of entertainment around. Not for me anymore, but a masterpiece of what it's trying to achieve - sports entertainment. Not everything has to have 'worth' and sometimes fun and entertainment is easily worthwile enough.


I'm beginning to think you are willfully not getting the point, that of there being societal standards with which one may or may not agree in part/full, but within which there is leeway to like the unhip, the uncool, the drab, the boring, and even the poorly-written. The irony is that I'm not railing against those who do like these things, unlike a certain someone who seems to off on a harangue against real and perceived opponents to his own tastes ;)
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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This may be one of the most dire reviews you shall ever read Larry - 09/09/2012 09:12:25 PM 1977 Views
Certainly one of the most original, you get points for that. Legolas - 09/09/2012 10:39:00 PM 1241 Views
Well... Larry - 09/09/2012 10:57:25 PM 1234 Views
A review of a D&D bestiary could be more dire. Stephen - 09/09/2012 11:29:17 PM 1095 Views
Perhaps Larry - 09/09/2012 11:50:20 PM 1197 Views
Hey now. Owlbears are awesome. lord-of-shadow - 11/09/2012 02:35:28 AM 1383 Views
That page is painful to behold Stephen - 11/09/2012 03:09:29 AM 1228 Views
They are popular as they are fun, easy reading books Wibble - 10/09/2012 12:11:24 AM 1176 Views
"Popular", "Fun," and "Easy" doesn't have to be equated with poorly-written Larry - 10/09/2012 12:16:27 AM 1322 Views
Poorly written by what standard? Wibble - 10/09/2012 12:29:17 AM 1254 Views
By the standards of what I enjoyed as a nine year-old? Larry - 10/09/2012 01:04:12 AM 1212 Views
So like I said, by the standards of Elitist Literary Snobs Wibble - 11/09/2012 12:03:08 AM 1317 Views
Nice attempt at sophistry, but alas, it fails Larry - 11/09/2012 12:38:24 AM 1195 Views
Was that meant to make any sense? Wibble - 11/09/2012 01:43:13 AM 1337 Views
Re: Was that meant to make any sense? Larry - 11/09/2012 01:54:23 AM 1219 Views
I'm with Wibble on this (big surprise) HyogaRott - 12/09/2012 03:07:53 PM 1323 Views
Heh. James - 12/09/2012 03:43:52 PM 1340 Views
Pretty much so Larry - 12/09/2012 04:19:35 PM 1336 Views
When did you put up that header? Stephen - 12/09/2012 04:35:20 PM 1233 Views
I didn't put it up Larry - 12/09/2012 04:51:32 PM 1126 Views
I shall tread lightly so. Stephen - 12/09/2012 06:15:51 PM 1268 Views
Larry - 12/09/2012 07:25:29 PM 1117 Views
+6 health? What game are you playing? Tom - 12/09/2012 07:52:52 PM 1150 Views
The Game of Life? Larry - 12/09/2012 08:23:53 PM 1245 Views
Re: Pretty much so HyogaRott - 12/09/2012 08:50:57 PM 1239 Views
You apparently do not read my blog/reviews much Larry - 12/09/2012 09:07:18 PM 1265 Views
Actually, I read them almost never HyogaRott - 13/09/2012 03:07:48 PM 1309 Views
I think my IQ dropped a little bit when I parsed what you said Larry - 13/09/2012 04:16:21 PM 1260 Views
Yep, your usual rebuttal... *NM* HyogaRott - 17/09/2012 02:14:56 PM 623 Views
No, not really Larry - 17/09/2012 06:25:15 PM 1098 Views
Yes, Yes, wrap yourself in arrogance and declare yourself correct until your opposite gets bored... HyogaRott - 17/09/2012 11:12:17 PM 1390 Views
Nah, I just wipe my ass with arrogance Larry - 18/09/2012 12:23:44 AM 1567 Views
The last word with me is rather difficult to obtain HyogaRott - 18/09/2012 02:48:03 PM 1157 Views
Don't try to argue with them. They've made their judgments. They are better than you. lord-of-shadow - 10/09/2012 09:36:17 PM 1231 Views
Defensive much? *NM* Larry - 10/09/2012 10:31:17 PM 674 Views
Perhaps. It's annoying, because I tend to agree with you guys - you and Tom and Stephen. lord-of-shadow - 11/09/2012 02:32:28 AM 1204 Views
The odd thing that there wasn't any belittling on my part -see other response. *NM* Larry - 11/09/2012 03:17:36 AM 625 Views
For the record, I wasn't trying to be condescending in my response. Tom - 11/09/2012 05:52:29 PM 1219 Views
He never said you couldn't enjoy it. Stephen - 10/09/2012 11:10:11 PM 1362 Views
Indeed Larry - 10/09/2012 11:17:20 PM 1212 Views
But they aren't. Wibble - 10/09/2012 11:48:14 PM 1257 Views
Prove it. *NM* Stephen - 11/09/2012 03:12:17 AM 607 Views
He also went on to compare liking the books to having the standards of a nine-year-old. lord-of-shadow - 11/09/2012 02:34:18 AM 1210 Views
You didn't read what I said very well then Larry - 11/09/2012 03:16:21 AM 1233 Views
You're right. In the context of this thread, I'm basically acting like a raving lunatic. lord-of-shadow - 11/09/2012 02:48:19 PM 1232 Views
It's not like any of us have ever been innocent 100% of the time Larry - 11/09/2012 03:49:22 PM 1173 Views
I believe that they were not meant for adults. Tom - 10/09/2012 12:30:05 AM 1215 Views
Very few of my friends were reading the books; some played the game, though Larry - 10/09/2012 01:06:07 AM 1189 Views
Basically, both get dubious kudos for trying something new by the dire standards of the day. Werthead - 10/09/2012 11:38:22 PM 1223 Views
Interesting point Larry - 11/09/2012 12:41:01 AM 1174 Views
Are you aware of the game's alignment rules? Some of the novels struggle with this. Werthead - 12/09/2012 10:58:37 PM 1198 Views
Not aware of it at all until now Larry - 12/09/2012 11:18:57 PM 1205 Views
How is that possible? Tom - 12/09/2012 11:28:33 PM 1134 Views
My dad was (and is) influenced by Evangelicals Larry - 13/09/2012 12:17:36 AM 1107 Views
Wait, so you didn't read the Chronicles first? Tom - 13/09/2012 02:12:13 PM 1104 Views
No Larry - 13/09/2012 02:18:03 PM 1177 Views
Well, it's sort of like starting Jordan at Lord of Chaos Tom - 13/09/2012 05:18:23 PM 1174 Views
Oddly enough, I started WoT at CoS in November 1997 Larry - 13/09/2012 05:56:04 PM 1127 Views
Chronicles is considerably weaker Werthead - 13/09/2012 11:14:38 PM 1203 Views
Needless to say, once I finish reading the Icewind Dale trilogy, I'm done with D&D Larry - 14/09/2012 12:38:47 AM 1312 Views
12 modules, not 15 Tom - 14/09/2012 02:55:39 PM 1344 Views
These threads are so much better than the rape threads! *NM* Dan - 12/09/2012 04:03:01 AM 694 Views
You're just waiting to see if I'll use hexameter in the next one *NM* Larry - 12/09/2012 04:32:31 AM 542 Views
When do we get to see some alexandrines? *NM* Stephen - 12/09/2012 12:41:29 PM 630 Views
Or quatrains? Larry - 12/09/2012 03:25:13 PM 1097 Views
And having now finished Dragonlance: Legends, its very own sonnet Larry - 13/09/2012 12:31:51 PM 1214 Views
At least you didn't read the Baldur's Gate novelizations beetnemesis - 14/09/2012 04:29:17 AM 1129 Views
Sssssh! Larry - 14/09/2012 05:10:19 AM 1186 Views
People become lesbians for no reason! beetnemesis - 17/09/2012 04:34:20 PM 1052 Views
I think my IQ dropped further upon learning of this Larry - 17/09/2012 06:29:29 PM 1096 Views
Baldurs Gate wooooo! Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:13:34 PM 1233 Views
Eh, Star Wars Expanded Universe I could see reading. Some of them are supposed to be good beetnemesis - 17/09/2012 04:37:05 PM 1555 Views
Is the review dire because of the subject or the sonnet form? Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:24:37 PM 1163 Views
Both Larry - 14/09/2012 04:36:59 PM 1141 Views
it would be unusual for someone to just randomly pick books like that up Foxhead - 14/09/2012 05:05:37 PM 1409 Views
Interesting scenario Larry - 14/09/2012 10:16:11 PM 1165 Views
Re: Interesting scenario Foxhead - 15/09/2012 09:55:59 AM 1355 Views
Re: Interesting scenario Larry - 17/09/2012 06:28:57 PM 1095 Views
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