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But that is not all it is. Camilla Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 08:16:32 AM
I'm just merely acknowledging that and that literature is one of several ways that people relate their hopes, fears, dreams, and aspirations (among other things) for others to interpret and to consider. If that is hubris...strange...



It is when you reduce it to the material conditions that I get a problem.


When I say "material culture," I'm not thinking of materialism in the same sense that a traditional Marxist would. I'm referring to it being a physical manifestation of societal concerns, goals, etc. Nothing more than that. I'm too religious to be a materialist, after all
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Since people are weighing in on that best fantasy list I posted, how many on this list have ya read? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:22:40 AM 2317 Views
A lot of those books aren't fantasy. Tom - 06/12/2009 05:34:18 AM 848 Views
Most of those depend upon how loosely one defines it Larry - 06/12/2009 06:41:50 AM 826 Views
Up next, fantasy fans attempt to co-opt Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:20:03 AM 264 Views
Actually, considering who put that list together, I'd at least look into their rationales Larry - 06/12/2009 07:42:11 AM 755 Views
Mmm... there's been a pronounced tendency among spec ficcers, from what I've seen, Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:09:26 AM 1015 Views
I agree Camilla - 06/12/2009 09:35:32 AM 750 Views
I'm a bit different than that Larry - 06/12/2009 09:20:09 PM 830 Views
Re: I'm a bit different than that Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:04:47 AM 857 Views
Then what should it be defined as? Larry - 07/12/2009 02:28:55 AM 902 Views
What, didn't you major in Fixing Up Confusions and other Issues? Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:49:30 AM 595 Views
I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes Larry - 07/12/2009 02:50:35 AM 720 Views
You majored in being a pain in the butt is what you majored in. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:00 AM 771 Views
No, that was my second minor Larry - 07/12/2009 02:54:53 AM 678 Views
In that case, I trust my definition more than theirs. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 03:05:32 AM 743 Views
Re: I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes The_Last_Gunslinger - 08/12/2009 10:59:03 PM 790 Views
Not really Larry - 08/12/2009 11:19:46 PM 1092 Views
Fantasy has no easy definition. Werthead - 07/12/2009 02:46:33 AM 804 Views
That's true. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:50:37 AM 774 Views
But the Song of Soloman is certainly akin to that *NM* Larry - 07/12/2009 02:51:21 AM 260 Views
No, that's just porn. *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:24 AM 357 Views
If you redefine fatasy as fiction, the category loses its value Camilla - 06/12/2009 12:33:03 PM 784 Views
Remember what I studied for my grad degree Larry - 06/12/2009 04:10:08 PM 801 Views
Re: Remember what I studied for my grad degree Camilla - 06/12/2009 04:33:58 PM 812 Views
Really? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:22:21 PM 926 Views
Re: Really? Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:49:36 PM 882 Views
Literature does not exist in a vacuum Larry - 06/12/2009 10:53:58 PM 585 Views
Obviously I know that Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:30:55 PM 750 Views
But it is a material artifact of a culture Larry - 07/12/2009 12:47:45 AM 649 Views
But that is not all it is. Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:16:32 AM 853 Views
Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:32:26 PM 772 Views
Re: Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Camilla - 06/12/2009 05:01:55 PM 681 Views
Several dozen contributed to the suggestion list Larry - 06/12/2009 09:23:21 PM 603 Views
I've read 34. Legolas - 06/12/2009 10:53:38 AM 650 Views
Well, when individual preferences affect listings, such things happen, I guess Larry - 06/12/2009 09:24:39 PM 649 Views
78 that I have finished, but that is really not the point. Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:55:16 AM 795 Views
Definitions of "fantasy" vary considerably Larry - 06/12/2009 09:25:35 PM 750 Views
According to the one you just applied, my master's thesis was one... Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:47:25 PM 659 Views
It's just a state of mind, I suppose Larry - 07/12/2009 12:50:22 AM 765 Views
Re: It's just a state of mind, I suppose Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:17:09 AM 793 Views
I've read 28. Linda - 06/12/2009 03:42:40 PM 852 Views
89... but in general, that is many by the same author. jh - 06/12/2009 06:17:06 PM 650 Views
46. This is an idiotic list. A Confederacy of Dunces just IS NOT fantasy. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 08:34:07 PM 879 Views
You say that, based on having read maybe 2% of the list? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:27:32 PM 579 Views
Jane Eyre? Napoleon62 - 07/12/2009 12:00:36 AM 726 Views
It plays upon the Gothic novel precepts Larry - 07/12/2009 12:51:31 AM 615 Views
Larry...come on...if it's Fantasy I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you to buy Tom - 07/12/2009 04:17:38 AM 780 Views
Devise a better? Larry - 07/12/2009 04:34:46 AM 699 Views
It would be much shorter Tom - 07/12/2009 02:20:05 PM 963 Views
It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Larry - 08/12/2009 11:26:35 PM 703 Views
Argh. Your quoting skills need work. *NM* Ghavrel - 09/12/2009 08:58:15 AM 365 Views
You seem to be misunderstanding Tom's post. Legolas - 09/12/2009 10:57:08 AM 714 Views
No,I was just just commenting on my likes/dislikes of that list Larry - 09/12/2009 01:21:45 PM 849 Views
I think you are misunderstanding again... jh - 09/12/2009 01:46:49 PM 817 Views
Yes. What Jonte said. *NM* Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:41:41 PM 384 Views
Oh,that Larry - 09/12/2009 06:07:11 PM 898 Views
Re: It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Camilla - 21/12/2009 09:35:11 AM 1108 Views
I read it very recently. He masturbates to a dog. Fetishes != fantasy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 01:58:57 AM 627 Views
Like I said, it's been years for me Larry - 07/12/2009 02:30:58 AM 828 Views
No worries. That one just got me a little testy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:48:01 AM 720 Views
96... but so many books are missing that i can think of... i mean, really! temeraire - 07/12/2009 02:07:18 AM 691 Views
It's an interesting experiment of a list, miki, and I think it's little more than that Larry - 07/12/2009 02:29:56 AM 614 Views
I've read about 90 of them ranagrande - 18/12/2009 03:37:49 PM 1005 Views
It would be a more interesting list if it contained more books that fantasy fans would want to read random thoughts - 30/12/2009 06:35:18 PM 852 Views
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