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Islam is of the Devil Aisha Send a noteboard - 06/09/2009 03:30:51 AM
I applaud the school for taking the actions they did, I also feel bad for the little ten year old girl and every member of that church that actually thinks that shirt is cool

'Devil' shirts send kids home
Four students have been sent home in the first two days of class.

By Christopher Curry
Staff writer

Published: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 at 10:12 p.m.

More children from the Dove World Outreach Center arrived Tuesday at area public schools with shirts bearing the message "Islam is of the Devil" and were sent home for violation of the school district's dress code when they declined to change clothes or cover the anti-Muslim statement on their clothing.

School district staff attorney Tom Wittmer said the shirts violated a district ban on clothing that may "disrupt the learning process" or cause other students to be "offended or distracted."

"Students have a right of free speech, and we have allowed students to come to school wearing clothes with messages," Wittmer said. "But this message is a divisive message that is likely to offend students. Principals, I feel reasonably, have deemed that a violation of the dress code."

Wittmer said the school district allows students to express their religious beliefs but also must protect other students, such as members of the Muslim faith, from discrimination based on their religious beliefs.

He said there also has to be equal treatment of different faiths.

"The next kid might show up with a shirt saying 'Christianity is of the Devil,'" Wittmer said.

First Amendment scholars said the school district's policy is likely legal and constitutional. Ron Collins, a scholar with the nonprofit First Amendment Center in Washington D.C., said courts give public school officials a "significant amount of latitude" in regulating student dress that could disrupt the classroom or a school function.

"Here, it's not only a religious expression," Collins said. "It's a religious expression that is hostile to other forms of religious expression."

Collins did note that student speech is afforded more protection at the college or university level.

Catherine Cameron, a faculty member at the Stetson College of Law, said the school district "likely has a good leg to stand on from a First Amendment standpoint" because the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled in several cases that public schools may quash speech deemed disruptive "even if it steps on the other child's free speech rights."

On their front, the T-shirts had a verse from the Gospel of John: "Jesus answered I am the way and the truth and the life; no one goes to the Father except through me," and this statement, "I stand in trust with Dove Outreach Center." The message "Islam is of the Devil" is on the back of the shirt.

On Monday, a 10-year-old fifth-grader at Talbot Elementary was sent home because of the shirt. On Tuesday, two Eastside High students and one Gainesville High student were sent home and a student at Westwood Middle had to change clothes because of the shirt, according to members of the Dove congregation.

Dove Senior Pastor Terry Jones said no local company "had the guts" to print the shirts. Dove member Wayne Sapp said he then ordered the shirts over the Internet from a company that allows individuals to design their own shirts. His daughter, Faith Sapp , 10, was the Talbot Elementary student sent home Monday. She said she was allowed to wear the shirt to school on Tuesday - with the Gospel message on the front visible but the anti-Islam message on the back covered.

Wayne Sapp's daughter, Emily Sapp, 15, was the student sent home from Gainesville High on Tuesday. Both Faith and Emily Sapp said it was their decision, not that of their parents, to wear the shirts to school in order to promote their Christian beliefs. Emily Sapp said the "Islam is of the Devil" statement was aimed at the religion's beliefs, not its members.

"The people are fine," she said. "The people are people. They can be saved like anyone else."

Wayne Sapp said he believed the school district's dress code allowed too much room for subjectivity when principals and school administrators determine what is offensive or distracting clothing.

He added that his children decided it was time to "stand up for what they believe instead of saying the rules might not let me do it" and said that society has grown "so tolerant of being tolerant" that free speech is eroding.

Jones said that, to him, spreading the church's message was "even more important than education itself."

All of the Dove members interviewed said that, while they would not like a student wearing a shirt with an anti-Christian message on it to school, they believed students have the right to do it.

Saeed R. Khan, president of the Muslim Association of North Central Florida, said the anti-Islam message should not be accepted when "schools are supposed to be teaching tolerance for others."

"It's pretty offensive, isn't it?" Khan said of the message on the back of the shirt. "Particularly in a school setting where you are trying to create an atmosphere where people are supposed to respect each other and live with each other, where we have people of every ethnicity and every religion."

Jones and Wayne Sapp said congregation members have not decided whether their children will be allowed to continue to go to school with "Islam is of the Devil" visible on their clothing because they want their children to get an education - and that does not happen when they are sent home for violating the dress code.



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Islam is of the Devil - 06/09/2009 03:30:51 AM 1666 Views
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People are stupid. - 06/09/2009 06:25:42 AM 1090 Views
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I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims. - 08/09/2009 07:11:13 PM 1021 Views
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really have you actaully read the Qur'an - 09/09/2009 06:33:38 PM 957 Views
there are some unsavory passages, and he knows it. - 09/09/2009 06:46:59 PM 951 Views
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so he was lying when he said he didn't? - 10/09/2009 03:27:14 AM 1017 Views
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+1 *NM* - 06/09/2009 08:56:02 PM 442 Views
+2 *NM* - 06/09/2009 10:04:34 PM 412 Views
+3 *NM* - 06/09/2009 10:36:48 PM 428 Views
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Define "disruptive". - 09/09/2009 06:19:36 PM 946 Views
No. *NM* - 09/09/2009 06:26:43 PM 460 Views
Well said *NM* - 09/09/2009 06:55:22 PM 431 Views
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Then your argument has no merit. *NM* - 09/09/2009 07:52:47 PM 430 Views
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Luke 6:31 *NM* - 07/09/2009 08:41:54 PM 500 Views
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That is why America is different than those countries. Duh. *NM* - 06/09/2009 07:58:53 PM 625 Views
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Jesus, you are a real piece of work. Moron. *NM* - 07/09/2009 11:52:02 PM 320 Views
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"Their government" is the American government. *NM* - 08/09/2009 07:36:27 PM 396 Views
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Failed edit. *NM* - 08/09/2009 11:50:50 PM 437 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 09/09/2009 12:12:52 AM 439 Views
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It didn't infringe on the First Amendment rights of others. - 06/09/2009 07:28:35 AM 953 Views
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