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Ah, I think I've found the problem Camilla Send a noteboard - 21/05/2010 11:50:59 AM
The quote was "she was not she", which in my brain is under the same heading of "silly things British people do with objects of sentences", much like the "you and I" thing. And it would apply to the "both have to be of the same" rule.
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Inspired by Camilla's post: quit saying "between you and I" already Tom - 20/05/2010 04:16:29 PM 984 Views
It isn't something I can recall really noticing snoopcester - 20/05/2010 04:22:42 PM 191 Views
You don't live in the United States of America. Tom - 20/05/2010 04:31:23 PM 174 Views
Well yes but me was just feeling smug it doesn't seem as common over here snoopcester - 20/05/2010 05:12:41 PM 156 Views
Re: You don't live in the United States of America. Camilla - 20/05/2010 05:35:34 PM 163 Views
I think this is one of those things people do because they think it makes them sound smart. Sareitha Sedai - 20/05/2010 04:33:38 PM 204 Views
When in actuality it exposese their stupidity and ignorance. *NM* Tom - 20/05/2010 04:36:08 PM 101 Views
Like saying "octopi". <Shivers> *NM* Tim - 20/05/2010 11:56:27 PM 200 Views
Octopodes makes them sounds like aliens LadyLorraine - 21/05/2010 12:25:14 AM 290 Views
THEY ARE VICIOUS CREATURES FROM THE DEEP. CUTTLEFISH HAVE W SHAPED PUPILS. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/05/2010 07:00:41 AM 195 Views
Actually nothing like that Sareitha Sedai - 21/05/2010 04:49:43 PM 147 Views
Yeah, I've never had a problem with that one. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 21/05/2010 09:45:38 PM 209 Views
As a Classicist I'm afraid I can't get past the misguided origins. *NM* Tim - 21/05/2010 10:08:34 PM 201 Views
I don't know how me feels about this. Tigr - 20/05/2010 04:49:03 PM 196 Views
This makes me want cookies. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 20/05/2010 04:50:34 PM 203 Views
I was thinking about him when I wrote it. Tigr - 20/05/2010 04:55:04 PM 166 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 20/05/2010 05:55:32 PM 79 Views
you know, considering my state was THE lowest in the country for education... LadyLorraine - 20/05/2010 05:04:42 PM 206 Views
Dude, I could care less *NM* Monkey - 20/05/2010 05:30:37 PM 185 Views
*cough* move along... ßelals Girl - 20/05/2010 07:16:18 PM 182 Views
That annoys me, too Camilla - 20/05/2010 05:34:30 PM 316 Views
I think you're confusing it with phrase-final prepositions. *NM* Tim - 20/05/2010 11:57:30 PM 192 Views
No Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:00:02 AM 147 Views
Oh right, that two (pro)nouns linked by "and" have to be the same case. Tim - 21/05/2010 12:03:59 AM 369 Views
Re: Oh right, that two (pro)nouns linked by "and" have to be the same case. Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:06:51 AM 388 Views
Er, no... Tim - 21/05/2010 12:19:31 AM 149 Views
Re: Er, no... Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:22:32 AM 153 Views
It doesn't. The reason for that is exactly as Tom says: idiotic teachers. *NM* Tim - 21/05/2010 12:28:12 AM 186 Views
But that is what I said when you contradicted me! *NM* Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:38:11 AM 196 Views
OK, I'm officially lost. Tim - 21/05/2010 12:44:28 AM 167 Views
Re: OK, I'm officially lost. Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:49:59 AM 344 Views
Can you start right from the beginning? Tim - 21/05/2010 12:52:08 AM 158 Views
Re: Can you start right from the beginning? Camilla - 21/05/2010 12:55:34 AM 154 Views
Please let me know when you sort this out. Tom - 21/05/2010 04:26:50 AM 142 Views
Sorted Camilla - 22/05/2010 03:06:53 AM 354 Views
Coffee time is going to be appropriated by grammar discussion? Shall I bring a book? *NM* Rebekah - 21/05/2010 10:12:48 AM 189 Views
Not entirely. We just need to get a hold of Pratchett's Unseen Academicals on the way. Camilla - 21/05/2010 11:25:57 AM 135 Views
This whole thread is just an elaborate effort to provoke my complaints about terminal prepositions. Joel - 21/05/2010 02:58:05 PM 273 Views
Ah, I think I've found the problem Camilla - 21/05/2010 11:50:59 AM 197 Views
Re: Inspired by Camilla's post: quit saying "between you and I" already ßelals Girl - 20/05/2010 07:28:16 PM 265 Views
Look at Camilla's post directly below. Tom - 20/05/2010 07:49:03 PM 184 Views
Well, the same problem appears in Swedish to some extent. jh - 20/05/2010 07:28:32 PM 405 Views
It doesn't annoy me, but I do fine myself silently correcting it when I hear it. Beqi - 20/05/2010 07:44:49 PM 168 Views
It's the same as "I" vs. "me". "Who" can only be a subject. "Whom" is correct everywhere else. Tom - 20/05/2010 07:47:21 PM 370 Views
That's where I get into trouble. Joel - 21/05/2010 03:01:18 PM 343 Views
Along these lines Sareitha Sedai - 20/05/2010 08:52:33 PM 355 Views
Well, shucks, Tom, we just ain't no good at that there grammer stuff. LiterateDog - 20/05/2010 07:49:18 PM 181 Views
And we're all unique little snowflakes. Tom - 20/05/2010 08:20:03 PM 169 Views
hollah that, brutha. *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/05/2010 08:41:03 PM 187 Views
You mean grammir. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 20/05/2010 09:41:55 PM 225 Views
Not limited to the US of A. Rebekah - 20/05/2010 08:26:30 PM 355 Views
It's properly the "US and A" - if Borat taught me nothing else, it's that. Tom - 20/05/2010 08:46:18 PM 153 Views
If you're going to start down that path... Legolas - 20/05/2010 10:12:24 PM 174 Views
Personally Sareitha Sedai - 20/05/2010 11:30:54 PM 135 Views
<Winces at your use of the word "ungrammatical"> *NM* Tim - 21/05/2010 12:09:29 AM 210 Views
I take it the wincing is at the concept, and not at the word itself... Legolas - 21/05/2010 12:32:43 AM 358 Views
It's the misappropriation of linguistic terminology to an improper use. Tim - 21/05/2010 12:44:54 AM 393 Views
I note you haven't replied to the main thread yet... Legolas - 21/05/2010 01:12:05 AM 269 Views
Re: I note you haven't replied to the main thread yet... Tim - 23/05/2010 01:36:10 PM 335 Views
Fair enough. Legolas - 23/05/2010 01:58:58 PM 137 Views
Well of course that's wrong. It ought to be "The man whom you said that was coming." *NM* Ghavrel - 21/05/2010 07:03:37 AM 70 Views
OK, I know you're kidding around, but I can't tell if you know it isn't even prescriptively correct. Tim - 21/05/2010 10:38:51 AM 141 Views
<chant> Camilla - 21/05/2010 11:52:17 AM 142 Views
I can't draw you a syntax tree or what have you to prove that it's wrong, no, but I know it is. Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 02:56:52 AM 140 Views
No trees necessary – this is lecture is 100% ecologically friendly. Tim - 22/05/2010 10:04:34 AM 330 Views
Clever clever. Explains why Greek changes the case in its indirect statements so much. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 09:47:26 PM 74 Views
Example please? *NM* Tim - 22/05/2010 10:34:05 PM 195 Views
Yeah, I worded that awkwardly. Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:30:49 AM 135 Views
Ah, I see that I misread your subject line. Tim - 23/05/2010 01:17:28 PM 341 Views
Re: No trees necessary – this is lecture is 100% ecologically friendly. Camilla - 22/05/2010 11:40:05 PM 250 Views
Re: No trees necessary – this is lecture is 100% ecologically friendly. Tim - 23/05/2010 10:30:59 AM 141 Views
Re: No trees necessary – this is lecture is 100% ecologically friendly. Camilla - 23/05/2010 10:36:25 AM 258 Views
Why = what for? That's amazing! *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 09:22:35 PM 74 Views
Cf pretty much every other European language, no? Legolas - 23/05/2010 09:32:33 PM 121 Views
Yes, but when you're a native speaker of English it comes as something of a surprise. Tim - 23/05/2010 11:18:45 PM 132 Views
The thing is that you really have to know Old English to figure it out. Ghavrel - 24/05/2010 03:22:10 AM 132 Views
Actually, that would be a direct object Larry - 21/05/2010 01:11:42 AM 143 Views
*blinks* Now I'm confused. Legolas - 21/05/2010 01:21:51 AM 132 Views
I know it's odd, but in terse responses, it seems to be a direct object rather than nominative Larry - 21/05/2010 01:46:10 AM 140 Views
No it isn't...in that case it would be "me", and not "a cookie", that is wanted. Tom - 21/05/2010 04:28:55 AM 141 Views
Well... Larry - 21/05/2010 04:33:27 AM 339 Views
"I want me a cookie" is not proper English. Tom - 21/05/2010 04:38:20 AM 333 Views
I know that Larry - 21/05/2010 05:31:52 AM 259 Views
See, this is an area where your dialect argument would make sense. Camilla - 21/05/2010 11:53:17 AM 254 Views
But that doesn't actually make any sense in Latin. Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 03:03:28 AM 142 Views
I know it's dative in Latin Larry - 22/05/2010 03:14:48 AM 338 Views
Well, yes. But prepositions are how we decline our pronouns in English. Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 04:35:42 AM 121 Views
And you would be wrong in that. Tom - 22/05/2010 02:27:16 PM 141 Views
Iċ am not sure what þū said me is relevant these days... Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 09:57:41 PM 126 Views
You still just aren't getting this. Tom - 23/05/2010 12:52:31 AM 125 Views
I accept it. But not in the circumstances when the prepositional phrase "to/for me" is used. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:27:30 AM 72 Views
Technically, most prepositions in English take the dative. Tom - 23/05/2010 02:31:06 AM 9289 Views
Huh. That makes sense. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:32:57 AM 65 Views
You're confusing me almost as much as Larry. Legolas - 22/05/2010 11:15:43 AM 324 Views
True. But English uses the reflexive in that scenario, not the personal pronoun. Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 10:05:30 PM 150 Views
That was atrocious Latin. Tom - 22/05/2010 02:20:35 PM 327 Views
I was very drunk, and it wasn't that bad even had I been sober. Ghavrel - 22/05/2010 10:04:12 PM 267 Views
Parare means, first and foremost, to prepare, supply or make something available. Tom - 23/05/2010 12:50:22 AM 261 Views
It also means to buy, and it frequently has that meaning when it's with the dative. No dice. Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:31:01 AM 272 Views
Now you're pulling things out of your ass (about parare, at least) Tom - 23/05/2010 02:32:58 AM 134 Views
I unfortunately don't have the OLD, and no, I'm not. Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:41:22 AM 168 Views
So I looked up the word in Lewis & Short. Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 02:49:19 AM 137 Views
Interestingly enough, the Oxford Latin Dictionary doesn't have one use of the dative for "to buy". Tom - 23/05/2010 02:51:54 PM 335 Views
Hm. I guess I have to concede defeat in this, then. Ghavrel - 23/05/2010 09:21:29 PM 141 Views
When asked who told him that killing was wrong, Johnny Five said "I told me." TaskmasterJack - 21/05/2010 09:52:15 PM 139 Views
Yes, yes I am. *NM* Tom - 21/05/2010 10:14:16 PM 68 Views
C'est moi. Tom - 21/05/2010 04:34:41 AM 336 Views
One additional thought. everynametaken - 22/05/2010 02:14:15 AM 273 Views
Let me clarify. Legolas - 22/05/2010 11:32:25 AM 132 Views
Please don;t misunderstand what I posted as beng preachy. everynametaken - 23/05/2010 11:12:43 PM 130 Views
in my elementary school grammar classes... damookster - 21/05/2010 04:44:50 AM 165 Views
I'm unaware of any exceptions. It's a very good rule. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/05/2010 07:04:23 AM 67 Views
You clearly had an unusually good teacher. That's exactly what should be taught. Tim - 21/05/2010 12:00:58 PM 142 Views
That is what I was taught... Dominic - 21/05/2010 02:28:40 PM 392 Views
Same. TaskmasterJack - 21/05/2010 09:54:10 PM 125 Views
I was taught the same. *NM* Gena - 24/05/2010 02:24:41 PM 216 Views
Seriously dudes? 70 posts about fricking grammar?! Monkey - 21/05/2010 06:46:58 PM 158 Views
I'm proud of us all. If it were about Akkadian grammar, I'd be even more proud. *NM* Tom - 21/05/2010 06:51:20 PM 174 Views
You could make it about Russian grammar Larry - 21/05/2010 07:05:35 PM 258 Views
I think I would only get slightly more interest than if it were Akkadian grammar. Tom - 21/05/2010 08:13:24 PM 270 Views
True Larry - 21/05/2010 08:45:54 PM 131 Views
Ah, you misunderstood my question. Tom - 21/05/2010 09:10:56 PM 333 Views
I guess I did Larry - 21/05/2010 09:25:53 PM 395 Views
Those all sound boring. Tom - 21/05/2010 10:03:25 PM 292 Views
Not if they are approached from a cultural vantage point Larry - 21/05/2010 10:28:02 PM 329 Views
Avendesora - 24/05/2010 02:38:54 PM 245 Views
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