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We can put a man on the moon but looking at job number is too complicated? random thoughts Send a noteboard - 31/05/2010 04:03:38 PM
Why do we as tax payers keep subsidizer loans for degrees that basically amount to vanity degrees and give very little return to society. We should limit the number of government subsidized loans where there is no real job market.

I can see the point of view from which you are arguing but that would be pretty hard to enforce. First, you would have to create more bureaucracy to monitor all of that and secondly who gets to decide what is and isn't an important degree and on what basis?


Look at what degrees we have that people can't find jobs in put a quota on subsidizing those programs. This isn't rocket science and the money we saved paying for people to get vanity degrees would more then pay for the extra cost.

BTW, I am still for mandatory military service for all capable adult males for two years. If we wanted as a nation to whip our youth into shape and teach them to be responsible what better way than basic training and an MOS? :P

All un-fit youth (and females who don;t want to do military service) could do an internship elsewhere for one to two years for law enforcement or charity.

We could even work in some kind of mandatory GI Bill sign-up for that period so that they would have some college money to pay for their schooling when they were done.


Sorry but that is a horrid idea. We have a strong, motivated, well paid all voluntary military now. To do what you are talking about we would have to expand the military by about 10X lower the salary and reduce the quality of equipment. All we would get out of it is larger but less effective military with lower pay and less equipment. We would have to lower standards so everyone could get in and then most of them would spend all their time goofing off and complaining about how poorly they are being treated and delay how many of them start their life and becoming contributing members of society by two years.

Now if you want to say they have accumulated a certain amount of debt to the society that can be repaired in a variety of volunteer programs such as community service I might agree. We could use a few million twenty years doing clean up in the inner cities more then we could use an extra ten million carrying guns.

*Yes, before anyone says so, I know the benefits of an all-volunteer force. It is a two edged sword of sorts because morale would probably go down some with mandatory service. But, I think the overall benefits to our nation would be more than sufficient to compensate for the road to shit our youth are going down now.*


I think you may be over estimating the benefits of being a conscript. Trying to force a person to get the benefits of military service is like trying to force addicts to get the benefits of drug rehab. The desire to be there is critical.
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One of the stupidest New York Times articles I've ever read Tom - 30/05/2010 03:17:03 PM 1186 Views
Added to which she sounds like a spoiled brat Wibble - 30/05/2010 03:46:06 PM 878 Views
I think she's still slightly below the national average. Tom - 30/05/2010 04:26:16 PM 653 Views
I am uncertain if she is working full time. cmdjing - 31/05/2010 12:57:29 AM 736 Views
Have to agree here ... The_Muted_Grimaud - 30/05/2010 05:54:54 PM 656 Views
It's a column, not a real article... and it's more critical than you suggest. Legolas - 30/05/2010 04:02:26 PM 660 Views
No it isn't. Tom - 30/05/2010 04:24:20 PM 686 Views
Re: No it isn't. Legolas - 30/05/2010 04:56:42 PM 658 Views
Šertam aštakun Tom - 31/05/2010 04:14:28 AM 572 Views
I'm going to guess that wasn't very nice. Legolas - 31/05/2010 12:11:43 PM 648 Views
Subject was Akkadian, body was Sumerian. Tom - 31/05/2010 02:27:24 PM 591 Views
Here's the saddest part ... The_Muted_Grimaud - 30/05/2010 06:10:48 PM 739 Views
Very bad life planning, and sadly, it's not an isolated case. Tom - 31/05/2010 04:01:46 AM 606 Views
Same. Humanities, while necessary, are something of a luxury given the numbers. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/05/2010 07:35:25 AM 347 Views
"the best laid plans of mice and men" etc etc moondog - 31/05/2010 05:56:22 PM 602 Views
strange that you should be surprised AgentOrange - 04/06/2010 06:06:19 PM 647 Views
i don't think she's saying it's someone else's fault moondog - 30/05/2010 09:08:29 PM 635 Views
Re: One of the stupidest New York Times articles I've ever read everynametaken - 30/05/2010 11:36:40 PM 635 Views
Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra Tom - 31/05/2010 04:07:34 AM 618 Views
Re: Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra everynametaken - 31/05/2010 04:23:54 AM 589 Views
100% in your camp here. LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 04:35:45 AM 564 Views
I don't see the point in a humanities major if you aren't planning to get more than a bachelor's. Ghavrel - 31/05/2010 07:41:40 AM 765 Views
srsly. way to devalue a bachelor's degree, american society 9_9 LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 08:07:47 AM 565 Views
I have a BA in English Literature. Rebekah - 31/05/2010 11:20:28 AM 689 Views
that's fair enough, since that's why you took it LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 10:20:36 PM 638 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 01/06/2010 09:30:53 AM 595 Views
I think you mean "the government acts all brokenhearted about the amount of student debt." *NM* Ghavrel - 01/06/2010 09:38:38 AM 371 Views
Heh. True fact. *NM* Rebekah - 01/06/2010 09:56:09 AM 242 Views
That's kind of a weak reason, though. Ghavrel - 31/05/2010 11:11:49 PM 596 Views
I'm pretty sure I didn't use that as my reason... Rebekah - 31/05/2010 11:15:32 PM 611 Views
That's true, although I don't know how many jobs that's useful for. Ghavrel - 01/06/2010 01:20:29 AM 582 Views
That's fine. And I didn't go to Uni to get a job. I went for the education. Rebekah - 01/06/2010 09:29:28 AM 774 Views
I want to make clear that I, as a humanities major, really do like the humanities. Ghavrel - 01/06/2010 09:37:39 AM 764 Views
I know. Rebekah - 01/06/2010 09:55:41 AM 688 Views
If we're going down that path, though... Legolas - 31/05/2010 12:17:49 PM 725 Views
the bachelor requirement for professional programs... LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 10:22:27 PM 657 Views
Education is a form of signaling BlackAdder - 31/05/2010 11:02:36 PM 637 Views
I do. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/05/2010 11:08:27 PM 243 Views
Some of us had the best intentions and then sabotaged them lyringlas - 02/06/2010 04:39:33 PM 671 Views
there is one more group that needs to take some of the blame random thoughts - 31/05/2010 01:58:39 AM 578 Views
Re: there is one more group that needs to take some of the blame everynametaken - 31/05/2010 02:39:14 AM 629 Views
Forget morale, the entire concept is immoral. LiterateDog - 31/05/2010 02:52:08 AM 614 Views
Nonsense. everynametaken - 31/05/2010 03:01:32 AM 635 Views
that's not what you're talking about though. LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 04:40:45 AM 640 Views
Korea has that policy and look what a nice place that is...er, wait a minute... *NM* Dark Knight - 31/05/2010 06:08:14 AM 369 Views
So do many democratic countries across the world. And your point is what? *NM* everynametaken - 31/05/2010 06:36:14 AM 341 Views
No, that's called paying taxes. Dreaded Anomaly - 31/05/2010 07:00:21 PM 620 Views
That would be a less repulsive idea if it wasn't so very sexist. Legolas - 31/05/2010 12:19:54 PM 643 Views
Heh, had the same thought. jh - 31/05/2010 12:47:16 PM 541 Views
We can put a man on the moon but looking at job number is too complicated? random thoughts - 31/05/2010 04:03:38 PM 715 Views
yeah, i probably would've rethought that physics degree if there were such a program in place moondog - 31/05/2010 03:27:14 AM 561 Views
physics BS is useless even I know that. LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 04:43:36 AM 539 Views
We hire people with physics degrees all the time random thoughts - 31/05/2010 03:41:12 PM 542 Views
believe me, i tried moondog - 31/05/2010 05:59:09 PM 582 Views
Physics degrees have a variety of applications. Dreaded Anomaly - 31/05/2010 07:02:57 PM 584 Views
Re: Physics degrees have a variety of applications. moondog - 31/05/2010 07:59:22 PM 808 Views
you are near Denver right? random thoughts - 02/06/2010 09:33:06 PM 598 Views
at the time i was in wisconsin, never lived in denver before moondog - 03/06/2010 02:01:23 AM 589 Views
lots of high tech jobs in Texas random thoughts - 04/06/2010 06:29:39 PM 573 Views
i had a tech job in texas, still no physics jobs though moondog - 04/06/2010 07:10:29 PM 566 Views
ugh. stupid twat. LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 02:21:27 AM 633 Views
See, you have a plan. Tom - 31/05/2010 04:08:24 AM 559 Views
yah. she's a stupid twat. and as you've pointed out, not the only one. LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 04:42:20 AM 600 Views
so stupid *NM* Aisha - 31/05/2010 02:35:19 AM 215 Views
What a useless leech. LiterateDog - 31/05/2010 02:53:24 AM 597 Views
She works for a photographer. everynametaken - 31/05/2010 03:03:44 AM 612 Views
Women's Studies empowered her to make a victim out of herself. Aeryn - 31/05/2010 05:00:38 AM 627 Views
It's not just the women Tom - 31/05/2010 02:29:34 PM 587 Views
There used to be this thing called responsibility... SilverWarder - 31/05/2010 04:58:21 PM 624 Views
Re: There used to be this thing called responsibility... everynametaken - 31/05/2010 07:50:17 PM 752 Views
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