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We can put a man on the moon but looking at job number is too complicated? random thoughts Send a noteboard - 31/05/2010 04:03:38 PM
Why do we as tax payers keep subsidizer loans for degrees that basically amount to vanity degrees and give very little return to society. We should limit the number of government subsidized loans where there is no real job market.

I can see the point of view from which you are arguing but that would be pretty hard to enforce. First, you would have to create more bureaucracy to monitor all of that and secondly who gets to decide what is and isn't an important degree and on what basis?


Look at what degrees we have that people can't find jobs in put a quota on subsidizing those programs. This isn't rocket science and the money we saved paying for people to get vanity degrees would more then pay for the extra cost.

BTW, I am still for mandatory military service for all capable adult males for two years. If we wanted as a nation to whip our youth into shape and teach them to be responsible what better way than basic training and an MOS? :P

All un-fit youth (and females who don;t want to do military service) could do an internship elsewhere for one to two years for law enforcement or charity.

We could even work in some kind of mandatory GI Bill sign-up for that period so that they would have some college money to pay for their schooling when they were done.


Sorry but that is a horrid idea. We have a strong, motivated, well paid all voluntary military now. To do what you are talking about we would have to expand the military by about 10X lower the salary and reduce the quality of equipment. All we would get out of it is larger but less effective military with lower pay and less equipment. We would have to lower standards so everyone could get in and then most of them would spend all their time goofing off and complaining about how poorly they are being treated and delay how many of them start their life and becoming contributing members of society by two years.

Now if you want to say they have accumulated a certain amount of debt to the society that can be repaired in a variety of volunteer programs such as community service I might agree. We could use a few million twenty years doing clean up in the inner cities more then we could use an extra ten million carrying guns.

*Yes, before anyone says so, I know the benefits of an all-volunteer force. It is a two edged sword of sorts because morale would probably go down some with mandatory service. But, I think the overall benefits to our nation would be more than sufficient to compensate for the road to shit our youth are going down now.*


I think you may be over estimating the benefits of being a conscript. Trying to force a person to get the benefits of military service is like trying to force addicts to get the benefits of drug rehab. The desire to be there is critical.
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One of the stupidest New York Times articles I've ever read Tom - 30/05/2010 03:17:03 PM 1206 Views
Added to which she sounds like a spoiled brat Wibble - 30/05/2010 03:46:06 PM 898 Views
I think she's still slightly below the national average. Tom - 30/05/2010 04:26:16 PM 672 Views
I am uncertain if she is working full time. cmdjing - 31/05/2010 12:57:29 AM 754 Views
Have to agree here ... The_Muted_Grimaud - 30/05/2010 05:54:54 PM 674 Views
It's a column, not a real article... and it's more critical than you suggest. Legolas - 30/05/2010 04:02:26 PM 677 Views
No it isn't. Tom - 30/05/2010 04:24:20 PM 707 Views
Re: No it isn't. Legolas - 30/05/2010 04:56:42 PM 676 Views
Šertam aštakun Tom - 31/05/2010 04:14:28 AM 592 Views
I'm going to guess that wasn't very nice. Legolas - 31/05/2010 12:11:43 PM 666 Views
Subject was Akkadian, body was Sumerian. Tom - 31/05/2010 02:27:24 PM 608 Views
Here's the saddest part ... The_Muted_Grimaud - 30/05/2010 06:10:48 PM 757 Views
Very bad life planning, and sadly, it's not an isolated case. Tom - 31/05/2010 04:01:46 AM 626 Views
Same. Humanities, while necessary, are something of a luxury given the numbers. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/05/2010 07:35:25 AM 355 Views
"the best laid plans of mice and men" etc etc moondog - 31/05/2010 05:56:22 PM 621 Views
strange that you should be surprised AgentOrange - 04/06/2010 06:06:19 PM 666 Views
i don't think she's saying it's someone else's fault moondog - 30/05/2010 09:08:29 PM 653 Views
Re: One of the stupidest New York Times articles I've ever read everynametaken - 30/05/2010 11:36:40 PM 655 Views
Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra Tom - 31/05/2010 04:07:34 AM 637 Views
Re: Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra everynametaken - 31/05/2010 04:23:54 AM 609 Views
100% in your camp here. LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 04:35:45 AM 584 Views
I don't see the point in a humanities major if you aren't planning to get more than a bachelor's. Ghavrel - 31/05/2010 07:41:40 AM 782 Views
srsly. way to devalue a bachelor's degree, american society 9_9 LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 08:07:47 AM 584 Views
I have a BA in English Literature. Rebekah - 31/05/2010 11:20:28 AM 704 Views
that's fair enough, since that's why you took it LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 10:20:36 PM 659 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 01/06/2010 09:30:53 AM 616 Views
I think you mean "the government acts all brokenhearted about the amount of student debt." *NM* Ghavrel - 01/06/2010 09:38:38 AM 377 Views
Heh. True fact. *NM* Rebekah - 01/06/2010 09:56:09 AM 249 Views
That's kind of a weak reason, though. Ghavrel - 31/05/2010 11:11:49 PM 614 Views
I'm pretty sure I didn't use that as my reason... Rebekah - 31/05/2010 11:15:32 PM 631 Views
That's true, although I don't know how many jobs that's useful for. Ghavrel - 01/06/2010 01:20:29 AM 604 Views
That's fine. And I didn't go to Uni to get a job. I went for the education. Rebekah - 01/06/2010 09:29:28 AM 790 Views
I want to make clear that I, as a humanities major, really do like the humanities. Ghavrel - 01/06/2010 09:37:39 AM 781 Views
I know. Rebekah - 01/06/2010 09:55:41 AM 705 Views
If we're going down that path, though... Legolas - 31/05/2010 12:17:49 PM 747 Views
the bachelor requirement for professional programs... LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 10:22:27 PM 674 Views
Education is a form of signaling BlackAdder - 31/05/2010 11:02:36 PM 657 Views
I do. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/05/2010 11:08:27 PM 247 Views
Some of us had the best intentions and then sabotaged them lyringlas - 02/06/2010 04:39:33 PM 688 Views
there is one more group that needs to take some of the blame random thoughts - 31/05/2010 01:58:39 AM 593 Views
Re: there is one more group that needs to take some of the blame everynametaken - 31/05/2010 02:39:14 AM 648 Views
Forget morale, the entire concept is immoral. LiterateDog - 31/05/2010 02:52:08 AM 631 Views
Nonsense. everynametaken - 31/05/2010 03:01:32 AM 651 Views
that's not what you're talking about though. LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 04:40:45 AM 659 Views
Korea has that policy and look what a nice place that is...er, wait a minute... *NM* Dark Knight - 31/05/2010 06:08:14 AM 376 Views
So do many democratic countries across the world. And your point is what? *NM* everynametaken - 31/05/2010 06:36:14 AM 348 Views
No, that's called paying taxes. Dreaded Anomaly - 31/05/2010 07:00:21 PM 640 Views
That would be a less repulsive idea if it wasn't so very sexist. Legolas - 31/05/2010 12:19:54 PM 664 Views
Heh, had the same thought. jh - 31/05/2010 12:47:16 PM 561 Views
We can put a man on the moon but looking at job number is too complicated? random thoughts - 31/05/2010 04:03:38 PM 734 Views
yeah, i probably would've rethought that physics degree if there were such a program in place moondog - 31/05/2010 03:27:14 AM 578 Views
physics BS is useless even I know that. LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 04:43:36 AM 559 Views
We hire people with physics degrees all the time random thoughts - 31/05/2010 03:41:12 PM 559 Views
believe me, i tried moondog - 31/05/2010 05:59:09 PM 601 Views
Physics degrees have a variety of applications. Dreaded Anomaly - 31/05/2010 07:02:57 PM 604 Views
Re: Physics degrees have a variety of applications. moondog - 31/05/2010 07:59:22 PM 831 Views
you are near Denver right? random thoughts - 02/06/2010 09:33:06 PM 615 Views
at the time i was in wisconsin, never lived in denver before moondog - 03/06/2010 02:01:23 AM 610 Views
lots of high tech jobs in Texas random thoughts - 04/06/2010 06:29:39 PM 593 Views
i had a tech job in texas, still no physics jobs though moondog - 04/06/2010 07:10:29 PM 588 Views
ugh. stupid twat. LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 02:21:27 AM 652 Views
See, you have a plan. Tom - 31/05/2010 04:08:24 AM 580 Views
yah. she's a stupid twat. and as you've pointed out, not the only one. LadyLorraine - 31/05/2010 04:42:20 AM 617 Views
so stupid *NM* Aisha - 31/05/2010 02:35:19 AM 221 Views
What a useless leech. LiterateDog - 31/05/2010 02:53:24 AM 615 Views
She works for a photographer. everynametaken - 31/05/2010 03:03:44 AM 634 Views
Women's Studies empowered her to make a victim out of herself. Aeryn - 31/05/2010 05:00:38 AM 646 Views
It's not just the women Tom - 31/05/2010 02:29:34 PM 606 Views
There used to be this thing called responsibility... SilverWarder - 31/05/2010 04:58:21 PM 642 Views
Re: There used to be this thing called responsibility... everynametaken - 31/05/2010 07:50:17 PM 772 Views
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