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There are TWO equally important points there: Joel Send a noteboard - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM
1) We need a lot more bike lanes and

2) We need to make bicycling to be illegal anywhere else.
it doesn't Cyclists are not allowed on highways. Cyclists are allowed on most normal roadways.

Cyclists are not allowed on highways. Except State Highway 29. And State Highway 360. And Farm to Market 734. That's just off the top of my head in one town, but having been to Portland a few times now I can see it's at least as bad there (although, to be fair, it seems like Portland has a LOT more bike lanes and, once again, while I think it's incredibly STUPID to be riding in a bike lane next to a 70 mph highway, I concede the onus is on me, the driver, to stay the hell out of their lane and be alert enough to avoid anyone who accidentally veers or falls into mine. )
If they made it illegal to operate bikes anywhere but a bike lane on normal roads, no one could ride their bicycle in many cities. Can you imagine if a city said "you can't ride anywhere but a bike lane, oh but you can't ride on the side walk either"? If a city isn't going to put in the infrastructure (fat chance of that happening without a few deaths), then they sure as hell better not install a stupid law like that. Not to mention that bike lanes don't magically make a car more aware. I was almost run over SO many times on my going-the-speed-limit moped in a road, and I was MUCH more obvious than a bike.

Again, they need to put in the infrastructure as well as the law, and, yes, it needs to be in that order (but with very little lag. )

I contend, however, that the real problem is that PEOPLE often behave stupidly; they have "bicycles not allowed on freeway" signs for the same reason they have "no fishing from bridge signs: " Because if you don't pass a law explicitly banning it AND put up signs declaring it, more idiots would do it. Note that I said, "more" because a few idiots do it anyway. They break "the Stupid Law" and usually pay the price sooner or later; the only hope is that not many people have to share that bill with them.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 1745 Views
Ummm - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1370 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 584 Views
Sorry, but no. - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1179 Views
I think you missed the part... - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1117 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1497 Views
hey now! - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 1021 Views
See apology below. *NM* - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 601 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 591 Views
I understand that what he said offended you - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1261 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1124 Views
This point: - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1238 Views
Not in the United States. - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1220 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1176 Views
I know - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1279 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1171 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1271 Views
That makes me mad. - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1250 Views
Don't be mad - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 1086 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1241 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 1051 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1253 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1229 Views
Perhaps. - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1278 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 1062 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 1065 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1200 Views
The central issue is people. - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1191 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1252 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1246 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1207 Views
Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1210 Views
three words: share the road - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1241 Views
Re: three words: share the road - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1288 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1381 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1216 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1159 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1232 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1177 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1254 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1312 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1143 Views
Really? - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 980 Views
Have you heard of Britain? - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1201 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 661 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 757 Views
You do realize that... - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1203 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1212 Views
heh - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1185 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1294 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 1085 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1286 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 1072 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1137 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1307 Views
I agree entirely. - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1322 Views
Really???? - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1203 Views
that's always really annoying - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1357 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 1019 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 563 Views
I doubt it. *NM* - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 509 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1185 Views
Not sure, but - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 1071 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1205 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 1107 Views
I would - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 1088 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 1062 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 986 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 1048 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 1080 Views
That sucks - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 1022 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1146 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1206 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1151 Views
Should be, but it's not. - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1153 Views
Question for you. - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 995 Views
the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical - 29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM 1063 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 1041 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 629 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1242 Views

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