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I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. Legolas Send a noteboard - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM

Again, the original context of this discussion was urban. Deadsy was an a relatively urban area from what I understand, my response was geared towards urban cyclists and tim's flaming post of bull was concerned with urban cyclists as well. I don't really see a problem with rural cyclists or even suburban cyclists going for a bike ride in their neighborhood/farm. It's the ones who ride around busy cities or roads that are going to get themselves killed.


Mostly because busy roads with high speed limits - on which bikes obviously don't belong if there isn't a separate bike path - have a way of being, you know, between two or more cities. And in rural areas, particularly in the US, distances tend to be too great for bikes to be very practical.

Of course there will be particular roads in cities where it's dangerous for bikes to ride, but on the whole, there are obviously going to be more cyclists in the cities than in rural areas. And since cars have to be more careful and drive slower in cities than in rural areas anyhow, that works out nicely, doesn't it just?
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 2055 Views
Ummm - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1672 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 726 Views
Sorry, but no. - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1472 Views
I think you missed the part... - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1436 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1820 Views
hey now! - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 1329 Views
See apology below. *NM* - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 744 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 748 Views
I understand that what he said offended you - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1556 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1438 Views
This point: - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1534 Views
Not in the United States. - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1543 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1482 Views
I know - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1601 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1454 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1575 Views
That makes me mad. - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1564 Views
Don't be mad - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 1377 Views
Re: I know - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1550 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 1360 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1588 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1539 Views
Perhaps. - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1661 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 1378 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 1373 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1510 Views
The central issue is people. - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1495 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1587 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1566 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1502 Views
Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1520 Views
three words: share the road - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1542 Views
Re: three words: share the road - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1598 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1668 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1544 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1451 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1549 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1487 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1528 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1618 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1441 Views
Really? - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 1278 Views
Have you heard of Britain? - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1502 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 809 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 907 Views
You do realize that... - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1515 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1525 Views
heh - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1516 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1607 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 1378 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1587 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 1371 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1410 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1613 Views
I agree entirely. - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1633 Views
Really???? - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1515 Views
that's always really annoying - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1654 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 1304 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 721 Views
I doubt it. *NM* - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 673 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1525 Views
Not sure, but - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 1354 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1484 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 1447 Views
I would - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 1388 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 1367 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 1272 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 1367 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 1395 Views
That sucks - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 1330 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1443 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1506 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1465 Views
Should be, but it's not. - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1454 Views
Question for you. - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 1333 Views
the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical - 29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM 1402 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 1377 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 823 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1548 Views

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