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Re: Why do people equate.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 12/08/2010 09:13:07 PM
Because you're denying them something that every person wants - a way to validate their relationship with their life partner. You're so proud of yourself that you don't throw rocks at gay people but you're more than willing to aid in their emotional obliteration and to deny them spiritual fulfilment.


I'm denying them a way to validate their relationship with their life partner....ok. So now having external validation of a personal relationship is that important? That validation is considered a right? Affording that validation to someone while imposing their opinions on me is ok?

When it comes to validating a relationship, things may begin to get tricy. Are we going to validate a relationship between any two individuals? Are we going to validate a relationship between any group of individuals?

And on a side note, do not ever presume to dictate to me my emotional state (as you did in noting pride). And it is a weak person indeed who is searching for spiritual fulfilment from a relationship with a flawed individual. But as I said...a side note.

This is my boyfriend of 26 years... if I die he's not entitled to anything. WTF? My teenage sister has a boyfriend. Can you seriously not see the difference in gravity between a husband and a boyfriend, wife and girlfriend?

Who's to say that your boyfriend of 26 years isn't entled to anything. Write a will. As for the gravity difference...well now we are definately treading into an area which is far removed from the secular world. Yes....I do see a vast difference between the two. And that is a *very* big point in all of this. That difference is that the a marriage commitment is intended to be life long and is blessed by God. Do some marriages end in divorce? Yes...and the Bible even gives reasons why this is acceptable.

Interestingly enough, the original post had a strong conversational element of forcing churches to perform homosexual marriage. A big point that I wanted to originally point out that there is a big difference between two murderers (Bonnie & Clyde) getting married and two men. That difference is that going into the marriage everyone has sin...if you had to be sinless to get married, only Jesus would have been eligable (with no woman to marry). However with two men getting married, that would be entering into a habitual lifestyle of sin, without repentance or shame. Unrepentant sin is a big deal with God...and as such, it couldn't stand at the center of relationship that people are then asking God to bless.

At least bigots in posts lower down on the board admit that they are homophobic and find the practice intolerable. It's shocking that you actually consider yourself to NOT be a bigot. You claim to have gay friends, but I cannot imagine a gay person who would put up with any of these opinions.


Say what you will, but I'm not a bigot. And do you know how I know that? Because I know my flaws...I know them well, and that's not one of them. Ask the people here who have met me. Ask them if I come across as being a bigot. I may not agree with a chosen lifestyle, but that doesn't mean that I get all preachy or whatever around people. I'm not anti-gay...since I approved of that law that was overturned regarding gay sex being illegal. What I'm against is you telling me that my thoughts and beliefs are invalid. What I'm against is you dictating to me that this is the way it is, and you better deal with it. What I'm against is you telling me that my say in the matter is worthless (which it clearly is since that judge went against what the people voted for). What I'm agasint is the entitlement mentality that everything is a right....marriage, health care, home/property ownership, a job. This isn't some look at me, martyrdom, attention whoring post or emotional outburst on my part. Believe me...its certainly not. Long have the days been when I would get worked up over what was said about me here.

~Jeordam
ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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Gay Marriage - 12/08/2010 10:23:19 AM 2134 Views
I disagree on the latter part - 12/08/2010 12:04:15 PM 1465 Views
I follow your point... - 12/08/2010 12:14:17 PM 1461 Views
Suspect you would find plenty of denominations that would argue with you rather strenuously. - 12/08/2010 12:24:55 PM 1500 Views
See, that's what I'm saying... - 12/08/2010 07:37:26 PM 1412 Views
She didn't say that gays ought not be married. - 12/08/2010 07:45:37 PM 1293 Views
You didn't read my post. - 12/08/2010 09:10:21 PM 1341 Views
Actually, you didn't read my post - 12/08/2010 09:23:54 PM 1426 Views
Um, you're wrong. - 12/08/2010 09:37:13 PM 1363 Views
Re: Um, you're wrong. - 12/08/2010 09:44:17 PM 1325 Views
You're still wrong. - 12/08/2010 09:54:55 PM 1470 Views
Re: You're still wrong. - 12/08/2010 09:58:26 PM 1320 Views
Again, you are still wrong. - 12/08/2010 10:04:42 PM 1395 Views
Re: Again, you are still wrong. - 12/08/2010 10:17:13 PM 1220 Views
Wrong definition of "club" - 12/08/2010 10:30:52 PM 1490 Views
My clubs are cooler than yours. *NM* - 12/08/2010 10:35:13 PM 717 Views
I play golf with mine. *NM* - 12/08/2010 10:43:01 PM 733 Views
Re: Wrong definition of "club" - 12/08/2010 10:40:55 PM 1409 Views
Are you a member of one of those churches? - 12/08/2010 10:44:12 PM 1384 Views
Also also: - 12/08/2010 10:46:05 PM 1373 Views
Re: Are you a member of one of those churches? - 12/08/2010 10:49:44 PM 1367 Views
Re: Wrong definition of "club" - 12/08/2010 10:47:20 PM 1402 Views
I don't think he means that kind of club. - 12/08/2010 10:31:41 PM 1291 Views
Also - 12/08/2010 10:02:44 PM 1442 Views
And wrong again. - 12/08/2010 10:08:24 PM 1453 Views
Not so quick! - 12/08/2010 10:21:31 PM 1284 Views
Yes, so quick! - 12/08/2010 10:32:13 PM 1233 Views
Let's be reasonable here - 12/08/2010 10:41:53 PM 1342 Views
Why do you get to judge? - 12/08/2010 10:48:57 PM 1377 Views
I don't - 12/08/2010 10:53:21 PM 1278 Views
OK. - 12/08/2010 10:58:22 PM 1372 Views
Re: OK. - 12/08/2010 11:03:50 PM 1341 Views
Then please stop. - 12/08/2010 11:01:05 PM 1347 Views
What's wrong with discussion? - 12/08/2010 11:05:48 PM 1302 Views
Discussion? Nothing. Your assertions about other people's views, something. - 12/08/2010 11:09:48 PM 1308 Views
Really? - 12/08/2010 11:13:46 PM 1340 Views
Yes. That is incorrect. - 12/08/2010 11:18:05 PM 1302 Views
What, because the expressive message of scouting is anti-gay? - 12/08/2010 10:12:54 PM 1195 Views
Re: What, because the expressive message of scouting is anti-gay? - 12/08/2010 10:23:36 PM 1320 Views
Well then that brings us back to my question, which you have yet to answer. - 12/08/2010 10:36:48 PM 1317 Views
Re: Well then that brings us back to my question, which you have yet to answer. - 12/08/2010 10:46:22 PM 1417 Views
Apparently you do believe that you are more qualified - 12/08/2010 10:57:00 PM 1271 Views
You are wrong - 12/08/2010 11:11:37 PM 1128 Views
Really? - 12/08/2010 11:19:10 PM 1195 Views
Not entirely true either... or, well, true as far as Brown goes. - 12/08/2010 10:08:42 PM 1290 Views
Heh... we discuss restaurants a post or two over there.. ---> - 12/08/2010 10:10:26 PM 1375 Views
Actually, I did. And since everyone else told you you're wrong about that I didn't see any need - 12/08/2010 09:38:33 PM 1389 Views
Re: Actually, I did. And since everyone else told you you're wrong about that I didn't see any need - 12/08/2010 09:55:05 PM 1292 Views
Gah. - 12/08/2010 09:59:45 PM 1244 Views
Yes yes yes. It was ungracious. I got bored. *NM* - 12/08/2010 10:03:17 PM 658 Views
What a mature response. - 12/08/2010 10:11:00 PM 1463 Views
Yes. - 12/08/2010 10:21:38 PM 1400 Views
Re: Yes. - 12/08/2010 10:35:51 PM 1356 Views
I can't speak for Rebekah, but I don't think the issue is that your points are invalid per se. - 12/08/2010 10:22:30 PM 1257 Views
I think my point was unclear in that post - 12/08/2010 10:55:34 PM 1334 Views
It seems that by your (to me nebulous) definition - 12/08/2010 11:05:01 PM 1364 Views
Re: I think my point was unclear in that post - 13/08/2010 10:58:28 AM 1252 Views
+1 - 13/08/2010 09:16:24 AM 1141 Views
Hehe - 13/08/2010 10:46:25 AM 1184 Views
Um - 12/08/2010 09:46:43 PM 1409 Views
That's a very good question. *NM* - 12/08/2010 09:49:05 PM 662 Views
So good it doesn't even need an answer, apparently *NM* - 12/08/2010 10:26:41 PM 714 Views
So good I responded to it someplace else. *NM* - 12/08/2010 10:56:05 PM 599 Views
It makes no sense - 12/08/2010 04:29:24 PM 1247 Views
Re: It makes no sense - 12/08/2010 07:39:25 PM 1311 Views
Re: It makes no sense - 12/08/2010 07:41:02 PM 1411 Views
It's not sanctioning anything - 12/08/2010 09:25:44 PM 1345 Views
Re: It's not sanctioning anything - 12/08/2010 09:28:45 PM 1331 Views
Nonsense - 12/08/2010 09:35:25 PM 1253 Views
Yes, but while marrying two murderers does not ensure that they will continue to murder... - 12/08/2010 09:08:53 PM 1232 Views
Re: Yes, but while marrying two murderers does not ensure that they will continue to murder... - 12/08/2010 09:42:21 PM 1363 Views
Suspect you've not read that either. - 12/08/2010 09:43:32 PM 1274 Views
What other church sanctioned circumstances encourage continued sin? - 12/08/2010 09:45:33 PM 1399 Views
Infant baptism, obviously. - 12/08/2010 09:51:48 PM 1385 Views
*NM* - 12/08/2010 09:53:17 PM 492 Views
*groan* I forgot that one! - 12/08/2010 10:09:07 PM 1362 Views
Re: What other church sanctioned circumstances encourage continued sin? - 13/08/2010 11:04:02 AM 1392 Views
Wow, it's almost like an entire denomination believes that! *NM* - 13/08/2010 03:41:07 PM 654 Views
really? - 13/08/2010 03:42:42 PM 1221 Views
- 13/08/2010 03:43:26 PM 1143 Views
Yeah, that's the Roman Catholic basis against masturbation and contraception. *NM* - 13/08/2010 04:12:00 PM 622 Views
Yes - 13/08/2010 04:22:58 PM 1198 Views
Which is interesting - 13/08/2010 04:28:09 PM 1169 Views
Yes - 13/08/2010 04:29:25 PM 1152 Views
Original poster. *NM* - 13/08/2010 04:32:18 PM 706 Views
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Dude....please at least have a working knowledge of the Bible before you spout off. - 12/08/2010 10:47:13 PM 1213 Views
I like the part in 1 Corinthians (is it chapter 6?) - 12/08/2010 10:49:55 PM 1115 Views
Ya know?!? - 12/08/2010 10:55:27 PM 1237 Views
I'm not sure you're correct there. - 12/08/2010 04:33:02 PM 1333 Views
Re: I'm not sure you're correct there. - 12/08/2010 07:40:16 PM 1342 Views
There is a difference... - 12/08/2010 09:02:20 PM 1379 Views
No you don't. - 12/08/2010 09:16:52 PM 1376 Views
That's another concern - 12/08/2010 12:39:53 PM 1431 Views
Not quite my point - 12/08/2010 09:19:50 PM 1289 Views
secular marriage is decoupled from religious marriage - 12/08/2010 02:50:43 PM 1432 Views
Simple, require the legal and religious marriage to be performed separately. - 12/08/2010 02:58:43 PM 1264 Views
What in the world would that accomplish? - 12/08/2010 03:44:32 PM 1343 Views
Provide some much-needed clarity, evidently. - 12/08/2010 03:49:33 PM 1171 Views
the problem is it would be changing a centuries old tradition.. - 12/08/2010 04:26:47 PM 1215 Views
heheheheheheheHAHAHAHEHEHehehehehahheeh*cough* - 12/08/2010 04:55:09 PM 1228 Views
thats OK I am sure you will get over it - 12/08/2010 05:22:08 PM 1243 Views
Just guessing, but I think it was the "centuries old tradition" that set off the giggle fit. - 12/08/2010 07:25:38 PM 1343 Views
Really? I was hoping for something better - 12/08/2010 10:06:00 PM 1290 Views
So government recognition makes your religion meaningful? - 12/08/2010 10:11:54 PM 1403 Views
not my religion I'm agnostic - 12/08/2010 10:34:40 PM 1235 Views
OK, but the point remains the same. - 12/08/2010 10:51:59 PM 1347 Views
Of course it would - 12/08/2010 11:10:03 PM 1434 Views
I'm not far left, thank you very much. *NM* - 12/08/2010 10:20:31 PM 719 Views
no but your are European and that slants your views *NM* - 12/08/2010 10:36:01 PM 699 Views
Sure, but in this case it has little to do with left or right. - 12/08/2010 10:40:42 PM 1299 Views
that is what I said when I metioned you were European *NM* - 12/08/2010 11:11:31 PM 691 Views
Simples - 12/08/2010 09:30:31 PM 1324 Views
there are about 140 post ranging from boyscouts to infant babtism - 12/08/2010 10:57:46 PM 1287 Views
So. - 14/08/2010 01:27:59 AM 1166 Views
sorry I responded I forgot what a tool you are. my bad - 14/08/2010 02:48:57 AM 1679 Views
Agreed *NM* - 12/08/2010 03:45:04 PM 577 Views
I love you, Camilla - 12/08/2010 04:02:15 PM 1115 Views
Re: I love you, Camilla - 12/08/2010 04:04:10 PM 1310 Views
Is there an all above option? *NM* - 12/08/2010 04:23:24 PM 730 Views
Naturally. - 12/08/2010 04:25:14 PM 1303 Views
I know I do *NM* - 12/08/2010 05:17:35 PM 672 Views
Another thing - 12/08/2010 07:42:21 PM 1409 Views
A couple of things - 12/08/2010 12:58:09 PM 1303 Views
I disagree - 12/08/2010 07:47:26 PM 1440 Views
Well, you're within your rights to certainly - 12/08/2010 08:24:30 PM 1386 Views
there is major flaw in your argument - 12/08/2010 03:31:45 PM 1436 Views
Re: there is major flaw in your argument - 12/08/2010 04:01:32 PM 1315 Views
I should clarify that I support gay marriage - 12/08/2010 05:20:36 PM 1259 Views
One point about Prop. 8 - 12/08/2010 07:38:55 PM 1277 Views
I know that is the commonl;y held belief but I thinkit is wrong - 12/08/2010 10:32:58 PM 1206 Views
Religious institutions, though, pushed hard to pass it. - 12/08/2010 10:42:33 PM 1299 Views
that doesn’t translate into people voting for religious reasons - 12/08/2010 11:19:48 PM 1108 Views
there are major flaws in your argument - 12/08/2010 07:51:52 PM 1439 Views
Women can't be priests in the Catholic church. - 12/08/2010 08:00:24 PM 1062 Views
Hehe. You beat me by 6 seconds. *NM* - 12/08/2010 08:03:28 PM 616 Views
Great minds and all. *NM* - 12/08/2010 08:06:01 PM 619 Views
I was writing a reply to this post... - 12/08/2010 03:51:01 PM 1323 Views
I feel your pain *NM* - 12/08/2010 07:52:28 PM 703 Views
Forcing religious institutions to marry gay couples is hideously unconstitutional. - 12/08/2010 04:18:59 PM 1380 Views
100% agreed. - 12/08/2010 05:05:35 PM 1423 Views
This. *NM* - 12/08/2010 07:36:57 PM 536 Views
You are absolutely wrong - 12/08/2010 07:57:19 PM 1347 Views
By that token - 12/08/2010 08:00:30 PM 1217 Views
My God.... - 12/08/2010 09:49:18 PM 1300 Views
no You are absolutely wrong - 12/08/2010 10:08:57 PM 1224 Views
Well, that was horrifyingly stupid. - 13/08/2010 12:57:46 AM 1341 Views
I am a Christian who wholeheartedly supports Gay Marriage. - 12/08/2010 06:49:28 PM 1419 Views
Fair enough. - 12/08/2010 08:01:37 PM 1359 Views
Why do people equate.... - 12/08/2010 07:11:15 PM 1302 Views
Because "homophobic", like "xenophobic", has shifted a bit in meaning... - 12/08/2010 07:33:56 PM 1324 Views
So then.... - 12/08/2010 07:39:24 PM 1274 Views
Well, strongly anti-gay, yes. - 12/08/2010 07:43:40 PM 1108 Views
Homophobic is generally "anti-gay" or "anti-queer"... - 12/08/2010 07:46:22 PM 1426 Views
Re: Why do people equate.... - 12/08/2010 08:04:24 PM 1497 Views
+1 - 12/08/2010 08:06:19 PM 1441 Views
Stop with the pile on Camilla. - 12/08/2010 09:22:35 PM 1369 Views
You would have said nothing if I had just said "agreed" - 12/08/2010 09:27:33 PM 1191 Views
Which speaks highly of you.... - 12/08/2010 09:36:30 PM 1389 Views
This is being very petty. *NM* - 12/08/2010 09:41:26 PM 684 Views
As opposed to a snarky +1 comment? *NM* - 12/08/2010 09:45:02 PM 702 Views
It's not snarky. - 12/08/2010 09:47:47 PM 1352 Views
Its a +1 shorthand comment... - 12/08/2010 09:52:04 PM 1606 Views
Wow. Those two characters allowed you to read Camilla's motivations? - 12/08/2010 09:54:25 PM 1228 Views
*shrug* - 12/08/2010 09:58:42 PM 1421 Views
Yes, I am terribly selfish - 13/08/2010 09:10:54 AM 1217 Views
Re: Why do people equate.... - 12/08/2010 09:13:07 PM 1436 Views
Re: Why do people equate.... - 12/08/2010 09:26:41 PM 1318 Views
LOL - 12/08/2010 09:42:32 PM 1283 Views
Re: LOL - 13/08/2010 09:12:29 AM 1228 Views
you are exactly why the state needs to make a clear seperation between the secular and religious - 12/08/2010 09:33:22 PM 1286 Views
Ok, so if the state does then... - 12/08/2010 09:44:31 PM 1206 Views
No, marriage started because of property. - 12/08/2010 09:59:14 PM 1322 Views
So then two things come to mind... - 12/08/2010 10:04:39 PM 1287 Views
Only two? - 12/08/2010 10:27:08 PM 1293 Views
Is this the same guy... - 12/08/2010 10:43:02 PM 1192 Views
I thought the cow died in an accident, but yes... that guy. - 12/08/2010 10:58:46 PM 1271 Views
That's a little difficult to do - 13/08/2010 03:19:32 PM 1504 Views
Re: That's a little difficult to do - 13/08/2010 03:30:14 PM 1356 Views
Oh, I hope not - 13/08/2010 04:19:47 PM 1313 Views
I may be wrong - 13/08/2010 04:24:28 PM 1307 Views
Property isn't just agricultural. - 13/08/2010 06:11:12 PM 1241 Views
True enough - 16/08/2010 03:12:31 PM 1512 Views
yes but about half of the old testament deals with protecting those rights - 13/08/2010 05:16:09 PM 1287 Views
The relationship between religion and rain go even farther back... - 13/08/2010 06:15:32 PM 1283 Views
to me it is a beside the point when it comes to the law - 13/08/2010 06:25:50 PM 1264 Views
moot, not mute - 13/08/2010 08:48:04 PM 1565 Views
damn - 13/08/2010 08:52:23 PM 1365 Views
Actually, I agree with that - 12/08/2010 10:01:37 PM 1179 Views
See, now this, I could deal with.... - 12/08/2010 10:06:15 PM 1183 Views
So is it that you are hung up on the name then? - 13/08/2010 03:29:02 PM 1240 Views
Rights.... - 12/08/2010 09:34:45 PM 1266 Views
See, what I don't get is why gay people care about - 12/08/2010 08:18:45 PM 1280 Views
It's mostly about getting married in the eyes of the state. - 12/08/2010 08:42:52 PM 1388 Views
I'm fairly sure Jonte was referring only to the "churches have to accept gay marriages" bit. *NM* - 12/08/2010 08:44:52 PM 715 Views
Hmmm... Then I shall reply to that part here. - 12/08/2010 08:50:10 PM 1401 Views
Oh, so it is an american thing, then. *NM* - 14/08/2010 08:58:28 AM 656 Views
Starting again - 12/08/2010 08:23:08 PM 1402 Views
Not at all - 12/08/2010 10:58:45 PM 1325 Views
Re: Not at all - 13/08/2010 09:14:48 AM 1098 Views
Agreed *NM* - 13/08/2010 10:21:06 AM 578 Views
Oh dear - 13/08/2010 10:30:45 AM 1199 Views
But what if I like being selfish and evil? *NM* - 13/08/2010 11:25:01 AM 704 Views
Well, being English might help you get away with it - 13/08/2010 11:26:17 AM 1147 Views
I'm curious - 13/08/2010 01:49:15 PM 1282 Views
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Okay, good. - 13/08/2010 01:58:14 PM 1311 Views
I suppose you also think that religious Pacifists should be eligible for the draft? - 12/08/2010 08:42:21 PM 1361 Views
very nicely said *NM* - 13/08/2010 02:16:53 PM 565 Views

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