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There was also the Gasdsen Purchase Isaac Send a noteboard - 17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM
I would agree that we didn't outright "take" the land, but it wasn't a friendly business transaction either.


I said purchased, I didn't say 'cheerful friendly deal' :P But let's be honest, Mexico controlled the Southwest as 'ink on a map' from 1821 on for a couple decades of almost non-stop civil war with the official president changing on a yearly (and often more often) basis. The Mexicans are certainly free to blame Santa Anna if they want, but by any reasonable standard the land is ours fair and square and more than fair, the natives might have gotten screwed, but not by us.
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At what point does it become ok to take over a country? Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 04:25:09 PM 1466 Views
why would we want to make Mexico our problem? *NM* random thoughts - 16/08/2010 04:30:48 PM 440 Views
Yeah that's why i don't want us to take over. I think the US is already too big as is *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 04:37:41 PM 411 Views
One might argue it already is. The other way around too, though. *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 04:44:19 PM 398 Views
Well, generally it's no longer seen as acceptable. Ghavrel - 16/08/2010 04:38:11 PM 1110 Views
Revolución! *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 04:47:55 PM 414 Views
I'm fairly sure that yes, the majority of them have national pride. Legolas - 16/08/2010 04:51:38 PM 1022 Views
Re: I'm fairly sure that yes, the majority of them have national pride. snoopcester - 16/08/2010 05:11:49 PM 864 Views
Actually, make that number 120 to 150. *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 05:14:15 PM 417 Views
We don't invade countries we can't locate on the map... Isaac - 16/08/2010 06:01:43 PM 1147 Views
So that means there are only five or so countries you can invade, one of them yourself? Legolas - 16/08/2010 06:11:43 PM 850 Views
Re: So that means there are only five or so countries you can invade, one of them yourself? Isaac - 16/08/2010 06:30:56 PM 1041 Views
Nah, they're willing to switch allegiances at the drop of a hat Brian - 16/08/2010 06:25:29 PM 916 Views
When it spills your pint and eyes up your woman? snoopcester - 16/08/2010 04:53:29 PM 982 Views
When they get on your nerves or have something you want, preferably both Isaac - 16/08/2010 05:04:10 PM 992 Views
I agree we should attack Canada instead random thoughts - 16/08/2010 05:19:48 PM 1000 Views
Yeah, but they don't gouge us for the oil, cost the same as anyone else *NM* Isaac - 16/08/2010 05:49:38 PM 411 Views
I would legalize drugs ten times over before I would annex Mexico. Tom - 16/08/2010 05:36:37 PM 1127 Views
"I would stop doing a bad thing 10 times over before I did a worse thing"? WTF? *NM* Cannoli - 16/08/2010 06:04:48 PM 496 Views
Read the original post. He proposes annexing Mexico due to the drug problem. Tom - 16/08/2010 06:28:54 PM 1053 Views
He's just nitpicking on your phrasing in the subject line. I think. *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 06:37:17 PM 403 Views
that sounds like a much better immigration solution idea than "let's build a GIGANTIC FENCE!!!" *NM* LadyLorraine - 16/08/2010 06:33:46 PM 416 Views
Lol that rates right up there with the bridge to nowhere *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 06:49:19 PM 437 Views
Work Visas might help, but... Isaac - 16/08/2010 06:51:11 PM 1190 Views
Oh i know it's not a complete solution and i have no problem with a fence LadyLorraine - 16/08/2010 07:43:26 PM 926 Views
Just so long as we're both on the 'multi-front solution' page Isaac - 16/08/2010 08:35:06 PM 866 Views
it's also worth noting that no one is proposing throwing out the Cubans LadyLorraine - 16/08/2010 08:54:46 PM 986 Views
When the US says so. We are the bosses of the World, are we not? *NM* Francie - 16/08/2010 08:06:08 PM 428 Views
west point? *NM* jh - 16/08/2010 08:56:58 PM 433 Views
Well take over and intervene are two totally different things Napoleon62 - 16/08/2010 09:00:50 PM 1198 Views
never *NM* Yunalesca - 16/08/2010 09:05:03 PM 427 Views
Not even Hitler's Germany? (if he never went to war but just stayed put) Reply to Yuna *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 09:24:41 PM 520 Views
If he had never gone to war, that would also have meant no Holocaust... *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 09:28:16 PM 408 Views
Really? Why is that? I'm not too terribly familiar with Hitler's reasons for mass genocide *NM* Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 09:30:48 PM 445 Views
Er, not enough Jews to be a problem, to put it crudely. Legolas - 16/08/2010 09:50:41 PM 1105 Views
Dachau opened in '33, Nuremburg Laws were '35 Isaac - 16/08/2010 09:36:59 PM 919 Views
Ok that's what I was thinking Dark Knight - 16/08/2010 09:45:51 PM 965 Views
Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". Legolas - 16/08/2010 09:52:37 PM 957 Views
Re: Uh, yeah, see, there's a difference between "blaming" and "exterminating". Camilla - 16/08/2010 09:54:29 PM 896 Views
I don't know if there's really anything to specifically compare it to... Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:00:59 PM 1084 Views
Also, perhaps someone should just invoke the (variation of the) Godwin Law and stop this whole thing Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:02:23 PM 970 Views
Ah, snoopcester - 16/08/2010 10:04:39 PM 874 Views
Nah, more like, I know I shouldn't have done this, but I couldn't resist. *NM* Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:07:35 PM 434 Views
I second the motion to invoke Godwin's Law for closure... Isaac - 16/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 1014 Views
Perhaps snoopcester - 16/08/2010 09:46:55 PM 864 Views
Well, you'll note I didn't make that causal relation you attribute to me. Legolas - 16/08/2010 09:55:39 PM 1016 Views
The Dachau follow up was bookkeeping Isaac - 16/08/2010 10:05:35 PM 951 Views
I'm confused, but I'll take that as something I don't have to argue. Legolas - 16/08/2010 10:09:16 PM 1054 Views
Re: I'm confused, but I'll take that as something I don't have to argue. Isaac - 16/08/2010 10:19:19 PM 931 Views
The US already took half of Mexico, so why not the other half? Bramhodoulos - 16/08/2010 09:57:56 PM 1012 Views
"Took" is an unfriendly word, we purchased it *NM* Isaac - 16/08/2010 10:21:58 PM 420 Views
yes after a messy political and physical "conflict" LadyLorraine - 16/08/2010 10:53:22 PM 975 Views
There was also the Gasdsen Purchase Isaac - 17/08/2010 12:30:21 AM 932 Views
The Gadsden Purchase was a pittance and an afterthought, as I'm sure you're aware. Joel - 18/08/2010 12:36:24 PM 878 Views
It is fairly large, but yes Isaac - 18/08/2010 02:21:25 PM 922 Views
Well, yes, it WAS a purchase, but then, it would be. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:22:23 PM 1374 Views
and why did it belong to Mexico to begin with? *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 01:28:28 AM 476 Views
same way it seems to be the way most people who own the Americas came to own it. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 01:46:49 AM 813 Views
At least we took the time to conquer it random thoughts - 18/08/2010 05:20:57 PM 1142 Views
well they were not using it *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 01:27:47 AM 402 Views
Once you solved all your own problems, I'm sure. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/08/2010 10:58:28 PM 414 Views
my best friend is an illegal and is going back to mexico in a few months Delireus - 16/08/2010 11:28:11 PM 988 Views
every issue is simpler when you don't have faces to represent it for you. *NM* LadyLorraine - 16/08/2010 11:29:38 PM 437 Views
We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. everynametaken - 17/08/2010 12:58:37 AM 813 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. Isaac - 17/08/2010 02:39:11 AM 879 Views
Re: We should seal our border and peform drone strikes on cartels. everynametaken - 17/08/2010 03:34:59 AM 1070 Views
I think maybe we've had enough of nation building for a while *NM* damookster - 17/08/2010 02:45:22 AM 402 Views
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