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Yes, Jerodam. Christians are good. All the rest are bad. I see it now. Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/08/2010 04:10:47 PM

I think the reason the Crusades are brought up is because they are perceived as never having ended. What we define as the crusades did, but the tendency of Christian Europe expanding and spreading throughout the world only ended in the middle of the last century, when America took over. Imperialism is seen as a continuation of the same trend, and "crusades" are used as shorthand.

Imperialism is equated to the Crusades? That is a viewpoint that I had never heard of before. Lets be honest when it comes to the spread of Christianity. It has done *far* more good then bad. Christianity was the subject & inspiration for any number of artistic endevours. It paved the way for modernization of the west. And for crying out loud, the first book off of the printing press was the Bible.

The spread of Christianity is a good thing. You don't see Christian parents "circumcising" their daughters. You don't see them forcing their women to wear head to toe robes with only their finger tips & eyes visiable. And you do not see Christian armed forces stoning people or tossing acid on girls on their way to school. Of course, there are Christians out there who are wierd and do strange and anti-social things, but they are the exception and not the rule. The vast majority of us have found the balance between their faith and modern life. That is a balance that Islam has not found for the vast majority of muslims.

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Wait, wait WAIT! The location for the so-called "mosque at ground zero" is actually 2 blocks away?! Avendesora - 17/08/2010 03:19:02 PM 2586 Views
it's still too close!! IT'S TOO CLOSE I SAY LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 03:23:12 PM 1585 Views
*NM* ironclad - 18/08/2010 11:40:26 AM 682 Views
Yes, it is. Elaine - 17/08/2010 03:23:33 PM 1576 Views
Another stupid question...is it even actually a mosque? Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:28:37 PM 1440 Views
I've heard the same. nossy - 17/08/2010 03:30:36 PM 1357 Views
So Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:35:43 PM 1475 Views
blog link nossy - 17/08/2010 03:41:43 PM 1672 Views
that's correct *NM* damookster - 17/08/2010 03:51:38 PM 677 Views
it's both from what I've heard. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:00:54 PM 1353 Views
sort of like most churches, mosques and temples? *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:04:12 PM 677 Views
mmm, i think more like... LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:08:55 PM 1336 Views
it is a community center with a mosque Aisha - 17/08/2010 04:28:08 PM 1237 Views
A memorial! Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:58:52 PM 1464 Views
it is a community center with a mosque Aisha - 17/08/2010 04:28:09 PM 1406 Views
my wife's church has a play ground and community center random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:47:52 PM 1350 Views
okay, cool then LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:17:04 PM 1195 Views
I was just being nit picky random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:44:36 PM 1197 Views
Been hearing a lot on NPR nossy - 17/08/2010 03:32:42 PM 1433 Views
I could see it being insensitive if it were actually where the towers used to be. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 03:43:18 PM 1517 Views
Yeah. nossy - 17/08/2010 03:51:13 PM 1466 Views
precisely. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:02:44 PM 1304 Views
This could be part of the reason that most of the opposition doesn't seem to be coming from locals. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:53:06 PM 1429 Views
seriously, it's not like property is some ample commodity in NYC *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:03:24 PM 718 Views
you should probably keep in mind.... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:02:25 PM 1459 Views
So Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:06:18 PM 1502 Views
Ground Zero specifically refers to the north and south towers where the planes struck... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:26:40 PM 1431 Views
don't use that term at all. Say WTC. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:27:32 AM 684 Views
I know. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:26:19 PM 1355 Views
it certainly has turned into a political land mine for Obama... damookster - 17/08/2010 03:54:03 PM 1362 Views
True nossy - 17/08/2010 04:02:04 PM 1173 Views
unfortunately... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:05:08 PM 1329 Views
That's because they are pussies. nossy - 17/08/2010 04:10:59 PM 1481 Views
This is beginning to sound familiar. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:18:37 PM 1562 Views
with the senate majority leader weighing it I don't believe it is all how it is mostly on the right random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:58:10 PM 1440 Views
Seems we disagree on that, then. Legolas - 17/08/2010 06:05:33 PM 1424 Views
hardly the first time random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:56:33 PM 1394 Views
Well, since day 1 of this whole debate alot of the opposition has come from the right. Variant - 17/08/2010 10:50:49 PM 1404 Views
you assume it is pandering maybe they just agree with the majority random thoughts - 18/08/2010 02:30:53 AM 1351 Views
I'm not saying it's a partisan issue, but it has turned political for all the wrong reasons. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:18:49 AM 1508 Views
is the idea that it is not to close to ground zero the misinformation you are refering to? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:09:17 PM 1353 Views
Well, it's not like they're literally on ground zero. Variant - 18/08/2010 08:54:08 PM 1519 Views
ground zero is defined as where the old WTC complex was random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:23:32 PM 1338 Views
And anything within a 3 block radius apparently? Variant - 20/08/2010 04:44:25 AM 1375 Views
Guess which of them will be out of a job in January? Joel - 18/08/2010 01:22:49 PM 1371 Views
the only reason Obama won't be out of job is he isn't running random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:10:58 PM 1318 Views
Oh, I dunno if you could translate the current numbers into Obamas defeat. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:52:18 PM 1392 Views
Bush's numbers were much better in 04 then Obama's are now random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:11:31 PM 1472 Views
Perhaps so then. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:51:36 PM 1366 Views
it was a large event so two half blocks really is pretty damn close random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:03:17 PM 1470 Views
Here's a map of the site for perspective Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:08:41 PM 1523 Views
so 2 blocks from the superblock then? LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:13:03 PM 1549 Views
I guess, superblock is an obscure term to this country lad Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:41:11 PM 1337 Views
It may not necessarily matter to people who are aware of that fact. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:13:12 PM 1330 Views
mk, well, to my mind (being from phoeni, 1 full city block is about 1 mile. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:15:49 PM 1390 Views
A mile is a serious exaggeration, surely. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:24:48 PM 1508 Views
Remember, I did say in Phoenix LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:27:43 PM 1427 Views
I really need to see Phoenix some day. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:32:40 PM 1428 Views
i still think houston is more spread out than phoenix moondog - 18/08/2010 08:21:10 AM 1429 Views
unless you go far enough west of course random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:30:45 PM 1279 Views
most of california is pretty spread out, city-wise. moondog - 19/08/2010 02:16:44 AM 1254 Views
true, I was think along the lines of San Fransico random thoughts - 19/08/2010 03:47:12 AM 1339 Views
Absolutely. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:28:38 PM 1401 Views
Yeah, and it seems to be about 10 autobuses in distance on Google Earth. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:29:43 PM 1303 Views
In NYC, generally 1 mile = 20 blocks *NM* BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 05:25:21 PM 727 Views
Okay. I guess i just forget how much larger Phoenix is *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:28:13 PM 630 Views
Google Earth says 500 feet between mosque and GZ *NM* Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:30:59 PM 644 Views
*edit* Just for reference... one mile = 5280 feet, 500ft = approx 1/10 of a mile. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:26:19 PM 1363 Views
Judging by Google Earth, the blocks inbetween both contain a single large building. (edit) Legolas - 17/08/2010 07:08:05 PM 1270 Views
Clarify: 500 ft between the mosque and the border of the area on the map? *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 07:03:51 PM 650 Views
Probably, given my corner-to-corner result. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 07:26:19 PM 674 Views
Yes, down West Broadway (contains old ground view from site) Isaac - 17/08/2010 07:31:58 PM 1571 Views
Personally, I think this supports Ave's point. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:16:15 PM 1440 Views
yes... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:29:51 PM 1445 Views
Right. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:31:29 PM 1396 Views
Believe me, honey. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:32:47 PM 1254 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:37:19 PM 1309 Views
You know what else is on Park Place? A strip club. Aeryn - 17/08/2010 11:58:56 PM 1330 Views
Really? I had no idea Isaac - 18/08/2010 12:06:27 AM 1426 Views
Re: Really? I had no idea Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:24:54 AM 1418 Views
Hmm... Isaac - 18/08/2010 01:23:14 AM 1359 Views
I didn't even know I was responding to you. Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:08:36 AM 1331 Views
Thanks Isaac - 18/08/2010 04:23:47 AM 1322 Views
It happens...? Joel - 18/08/2010 01:29:44 PM 1170 Views
knowing there's a strip club and "walking those streets"; seems like you've "gotten around" moondog - 18/08/2010 02:03:14 AM 1375 Views
*NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:10:10 AM 656 Views
They're building on the hallowed ground of a Burlington Coat Factory! Vodalus - 17/08/2010 04:13:06 PM 1419 Views
how so? LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:14:17 PM 1254 Views
Maybe it's got something to do with Cordoba, Spain? Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:16:38 PM 1296 Views
From when the Moors conquered Spain Vodalus - 17/08/2010 04:18:18 PM 1499 Views
ah mk. fair enough then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:35:39 PM 776 Views
to clarify though snoopcester - 17/08/2010 04:50:19 PM 1300 Views
in that respect, I rather like the name *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:23:18 PM 699 Views
Yes, but you have to remember the mindset of those protesting. Vodalus - 17/08/2010 09:49:26 PM 1371 Views
Oh indeed snoopcester - 18/08/2010 10:20:45 AM 1395 Views
Oh, yeah. I foolishly assumed people would know that part. *NM* Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:34:39 PM 689 Views
Sorry, but the card says it was "the Moops" so you must be wrong. Tom - 18/08/2010 03:56:11 PM 1354 Views
Aaaaaaaaagh Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:13:17 PM 1346 Views
*NM* Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:31:20 PM 651 Views
Or a Christian conquest of Islam, surely. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:07:53 PM 1454 Views
Right on the button. *NM* Tim - 17/08/2010 04:19:39 PM 662 Views
Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:33:31 PM 1291 Views
Re: Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:34:47 PM 1297 Views
it was a rhetorical question in his column damookster - 17/08/2010 04:43:25 PM 1407 Views
that is hardly the same thing random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:56:43 PM 1378 Views
so suppose... damookster - 17/08/2010 06:06:03 PM 1312 Views
I am sure it will I just don't see the relevance random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:57:41 PM 1424 Views
My question is, why would you want to put a mosque/community center/thing that close? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 04:39:05 PM 1321 Views
angry New Yorkers? damookster - 17/08/2010 04:45:01 PM 1440 Views
I was going to guess 4 protests to your earlier post. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 04:50:08 PM 1413 Views
We do not live in fear of what "a few crazy people" might do. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:02:06 AM 625 Views
Re: angry New Yorkers? snoopcester - 17/08/2010 04:53:58 PM 1340 Views
I was wondering about that. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:56:28 PM 1449 Views
Re: I was wondering about that. snoopcester - 17/08/2010 05:05:50 PM 1427 Views
interesting map, thanks for posting it. *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 05:55:06 PM 707 Views
That's a good point too and I didn't think about that. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 05:39:53 PM 1521 Views
I think what this position misses Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 1567 Views
Ok, sure. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 06:09:33 PM 1436 Views
Hoboken? The_Muted_Grimaud - 17/08/2010 09:06:07 PM 1259 Views
Indeed. Not a serious suggestion about putting it there. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 09:13:35 PM 1249 Views
angry New Yorkers? Geez, we are more civilized than that, thank you. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:01:12 AM 629 Views
not really *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 02:31:46 AM 542 Views
your opinion is noted. now go eff yourself. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:11:25 AM 587 Views
that's pretty good BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 04:44:14 AM 1345 Views
That's right. Why resort to violence when a good rant will do? *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 06:09:27 AM 608 Views
and a heart fuck off to you but thanks for the ironic reply *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:18:25 PM 629 Views
How is it ironic? *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:43:50 PM 702 Views
How was his uncivilized response ironic? *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:18:17 PM 610 Views
Yes. Where is the irony? Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:20:57 PM 1287 Views
Re: How was his uncivilized response ironic? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:23:25 PM 1278 Views
Aaah Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:31:02 PM 1341 Views
Re: Aaah random thoughts - 18/08/2010 05:30:07 PM 1285 Views
Re: Aaah Camilla - 18/08/2010 05:38:47 PM 1355 Views
To both of you: her. And she. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 05:44:03 PM 635 Views
I knew that. *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 05:45:21 PM 619 Views
I'm not a New Yorker. Not impuning your civility either. StormCrow - 19/08/2010 02:45:55 AM 1526 Views
Because the building is cheap as hell, because they're mostly abandoned in those areas Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:25:13 AM 1361 Views
Something I'm confused on Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:59:41 PM 1611 Views
another thing to consider. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 05:02:38 PM 1306 Views
You'll have to explain to me what that has to do with what I said Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:10:21 PM 1302 Views
I don't think anyone is saying it's not "near" ground zero. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:12:52 PM 1397 Views
Of course you're confused. It was a tangental thought. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:06:29 PM 1358 Views
Fair enough, I can't really criticize others for going off on tangents since I do it so much *NM* Isaac - 17/08/2010 06:36:54 PM 644 Views
On that tangent though, an interesting article Isaac - 17/08/2010 07:50:44 PM 1412 Views
From what I understand, there's another mosque very close to the site Brian - 17/08/2010 05:06:26 PM 1488 Views
I understand there's also a strip club and a xxx movie rental shop within that same 2 blocks radius. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:09:26 PM 1391 Views
Looks like 2 or 3 blocks, I love Google Earth Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:17:01 PM 1425 Views
True but the buildings were not nocked down by radical strippers *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:52:04 PM 655 Views
Joss Whedon purchased the rights to this movie already. *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 06:29:34 PM 699 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:38:27 PM 627 Views
Yep. Is true. *NM* Aeryn - 17/08/2010 11:59:31 PM 654 Views
What do strip clubs and dirty movies and gay bars have to do with 9/11? *NM* ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:33:59 AM 657 Views
Nothing, which is precisely the point. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 12:37:52 AM 662 Views
Can you explain your point to me then? Because I'm not following it. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:21:13 AM 1290 Views
The argument is that it's "hallowed ground" and therefore should be treated with "respect" Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:26:44 AM 1462 Views
No. That might be one argument, but hardly the only one. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:31:14 AM 1440 Views
Pretty much what Greg said. Legolas - 18/08/2010 09:39:33 AM 1357 Views
then you are missing the point random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:02:49 PM 1484 Views
In all fairness... Variant - 18/08/2010 09:46:26 PM 1401 Views
these guys are not babes in the woods random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:28:24 PM 1254 Views
I never said they were. Variant - 20/08/2010 04:56:53 AM 1410 Views
Respond/Double post. *NM* Variant - 20/08/2010 04:57:25 AM 577 Views
This whole debate disgusts me. Napoleon62 - 17/08/2010 05:24:56 PM 1563 Views
I'm not going to ask why. *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:21:13 PM 630 Views
Agreed Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:10:34 PM 1513 Views
Yep, I see a lot of ugliness in this discussion ironclad - 18/08/2010 11:42:34 AM 1322 Views
Jon Stewart made good point last night Aisha - 17/08/2010 05:34:19 PM 1422 Views
but it's the CONCEPT!!! practical effect is not the POINT of political debate!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:53:30 PM 649 Views
which is why Obama was crazy to get anywhere this issue random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1299 Views
He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't Brian - 17/08/2010 06:18:16 PM 1302 Views
that really isn't true random thoughts - 17/08/2010 07:09:29 PM 1399 Views
yah he really should have just stayed mum about it LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 07:37:03 PM 1360 Views
Ye gods, I agree with you AND CELIA! Joel - 18/08/2010 01:36:21 PM 1503 Views
double post random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1313 Views
Hatemongers gotta hate. Beqi - 17/08/2010 07:43:17 PM 1355 Views
More than anything, I see this being a sensitivity issue.... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 07:43:45 PM 1357 Views
Avendesora - 17/08/2010 07:52:07 PM 1355 Views
Right on. Jeordam - 17/08/2010 08:09:44 PM 1290 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:12:20 PM 1091 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:12:21 PM 1381 Views
The crux is they can't HELP stirring "up the grief and pain of the past. " Joel - 18/08/2010 01:49:21 PM 1426 Views
are you serious? Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:01:01 PM 1452 Views
I think you got the point right there. Beqi - 17/08/2010 08:08:21 PM 1354 Views
Yes, I am... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 08:14:27 PM 1342 Views
The point is your analogy does not hold Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:19:29 PM 1335 Views
Plus snoopcester - 17/08/2010 08:26:36 PM 1407 Views
Yes. That. *NM* Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:28:14 PM 1241 Views
we should all learn pool saftey from pigeons and sparrows. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:37:37 PM 1261 Views
Sicko! snoopcester - 17/08/2010 08:48:05 PM 1315 Views
Re: Yes, I am... Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:42:27 PM 1412 Views
Just to be a pain in the... StormCrow - 17/08/2010 09:10:11 PM 1377 Views
Aren't they? Jeordam - 17/08/2010 09:19:58 PM 1414 Views
You may be interested in... Legolas - 17/08/2010 09:23:48 PM 1509 Views
*nods* So I was right.... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 09:26:59 PM 1213 Views
actually, it depends on the extent of the burning. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 11:01:11 PM 1305 Views
That is probably not fair snoopcester - 17/08/2010 11:12:22 PM 1315 Views
I know! ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 03:06:25 AM 1328 Views
it's all relative. nossy - 18/08/2010 03:33:35 AM 1474 Views
Using a touch of hyperbole, perhaps? snoopcester - 18/08/2010 10:18:36 AM 1382 Views
I'm so proud of you for noticing! ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 10:48:14 AM 1429 Views
Just making sure you knew I wasn't mistaking your reply for a constructive one snoopcester - 18/08/2010 12:08:41 PM 1298 Views
I give constuctive replies where they are due ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:30:42 PM 1384 Views
snoopcester - 18/08/2010 12:33:57 PM 1375 Views
ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:41:27 PM 1443 Views
Hey Snoop... ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:47:13 PM 1411 Views
What the hell were these people smoking? Joel - 18/08/2010 02:14:44 PM 1499 Views
COMPLETELY unrelated point that I don't blame you for ignoring... beckstcw - 19/08/2010 04:25:31 AM 1276 Views
And yet that's very close to what MADD and SADD do. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:56:51 PM 1479 Views
you are right of course random thoughts - 17/08/2010 08:22:23 PM 1321 Views
Re: you are right of course Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:34:31 PM 1479 Views
I agree. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 08:46:07 PM 1289 Views
you could be correct but it still shows a lack of sensitivity random thoughts - 17/08/2010 09:34:46 PM 1484 Views
I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:10:01 PM 1467 Views
Re: I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing *NM* Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:29:59 PM 583 Views
This. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 08:31:17 PM 1366 Views
So, you're saying muslims should leave nyc to show their sensitivity, right? BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 10:31:55 PM 1286 Views
so your saying you always speak in over the top rhetoric? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:22:20 PM 1176 Views
Well explain what the difference is, then BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 07:14:46 PM 1328 Views
not really sure how to start random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:23:34 PM 1379 Views
THANK YOU ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:13:16 AM 1416 Views
Take deep breaths.. Variant - 18/08/2010 05:25:16 AM 1360 Views
Typing a post didn't really require all that much effort ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 06:13:15 AM 1413 Views
There are more important things in the world to worry about Ghavrel - 18/08/2010 08:51:35 AM 1389 Views
I do get angry over other things, you know ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 10:02:02 AM 1358 Views
Pretty much, yeah. Ghavrel - 18/08/2010 09:00:09 PM 1356 Views
I disagree, anger doesn't help in this debate, and it's only going to make things worse. Variant - 18/08/2010 10:56:30 AM 1376 Views
: Joel - 18/08/2010 02:52:51 PM 1481 Views
So what, the Americans supporting this mosque are "arrogant European pricks"? Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:12:51 AM 1215 Views
Kind of a stretch for you to make that assumption ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 11:31:16 AM 1407 Views
I hadn't read that other exchange yet, it made more sense after that. Legolas - 18/08/2010 12:35:18 PM 1441 Views
My only real objection is the same old one over whether respect is an entitlement. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:21:19 PM 1258 Views
A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:23:11 AM 1393 Views
Here comes the "xenophobia card." ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:27:50 AM 1451 Views
Which is why there was a bombing at another mosque earlier this year Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:31:51 AM 1333 Views
So? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:39:49 AM 1420 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 01:28:44 AM 1468 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:34:22 AM 1413 Views
I think a better parallel would be the new neighbors opening a pool store. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:40:42 PM 1427 Views
A guy on CNN made a really good point about this Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:46:54 PM 1460 Views
That analogy really isn't better than Jeo's, and I would think worse. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 09:02:50 PM 669 Views
hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 09:22:15 PM 1374 Views
Re: hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog Aisha - 17/08/2010 10:32:24 PM 1508 Views
precisely. Camilla - 17/08/2010 11:20:06 PM 1245 Views
Re: precisely. Aisha - 18/08/2010 01:32:09 AM 1363 Views
Re: precisely. Camilla - 18/08/2010 09:10:33 AM 1344 Views
not surprising that a guy on CNN made that point random thoughts - 17/08/2010 09:38:16 PM 1444 Views
Yeah this whole debate is pretty pointless to be completely honest BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 10:28:13 PM 1399 Views
An interesting point Vodalus - 18/08/2010 03:44:52 AM 1409 Views
In fairness, it's extremely hard to draw that line sometimes. Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:27:24 AM 1317 Views
well we have been shot at from enough mosque to make it hard to tell at times random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:25:58 PM 1389 Views
I think this whole debate has made American look bad. Variant - 17/08/2010 10:58:23 PM 1300 Views
So what? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:28:40 AM 1362 Views
Okay, so we're no longer the land of religous tolerance. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:09:24 AM 1573 Views
Were we ever? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 04:18:16 AM 1536 Views
I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:25:03 AM 1487 Views
Re: I guess not. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 05:56:49 AM 1358 Views
Re: I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 10:43:05 AM 1338 Views
Re: I guess not. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:13:37 PM 1174 Views
Re: I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 09:30:21 PM 1297 Views
Yes, we were. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:34:39 PM 1346 Views
How does this work, do you only look bad to a bunch of ass wipes, or does anyone who thinks you look Helene - 18/08/2010 09:38:28 AM 1297 Views
Olberman's Special Comment on this one hits the nail on the head Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:29:45 AM 1443 Views
love that the Olberman video, but Jon Stewart did an awesome job too. *NM* Aisha - 18/08/2010 01:32:59 AM 605 Views
Olbermann and Stewart are possibly the two best people alive *NM* Napoleon62 - 18/08/2010 02:39:48 AM 689 Views
they make the top of my list for people I wnat to catch an STD *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:27:27 PM 619 Views
Let me just say... Legolas - 18/08/2010 09:20:38 PM 1416 Views
Re: Let me just say... Camilla - 18/08/2010 09:22:12 PM 1378 Views
I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 656 Views
Re: I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. Camilla - 18/08/2010 10:45:54 PM 1402 Views
O'Reilly isn't as bad as he's made out to be. (edit) Legolas - 18/08/2010 11:10:33 PM 1414 Views
I'm pretty sure I agree with you. nossy - 18/08/2010 10:48:09 PM 1297 Views
Why is it weird? Legolas - 18/08/2010 11:00:20 PM 1359 Views
dayum! thats like the ultimate insult *NM* Aisha - 19/08/2010 03:37:53 AM 603 Views
Stewart is great, but Olberman? You can't be serious. *NM* damookster - 18/08/2010 11:23:17 PM 692 Views
I love that poem Camilla - 18/08/2010 12:26:58 PM 1471 Views
I used to be so Idealistic to think this was AMERICA. StarrBecca - 18/08/2010 01:44:38 AM 1442 Views
It is America ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:49:35 AM 1433 Views
the key phrase is "congress shall make no law...." moondog - 18/08/2010 02:23:53 AM 1469 Views
14th ammendment changed that *NM* Roland00 - 18/08/2010 04:51:08 AM 623 Views
14th ammendment established a state religion? moondog - 18/08/2010 08:14:11 AM 1269 Views
No, but the Equal Protection Clause extended much of the BoR to the states. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:50:31 PM 1401 Views
did you go the the Huffington Post school of law? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:29:14 PM 1320 Views
No, but I've spent more time around lawyers than I care to admit. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:45:36 PM 1418 Views
the defendent doesn't always get a complete picture *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:25:36 PM 633 Views
The only time I was ever in a courtroom was as a spectator. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:33:56 PM 1408 Views
It was meant to be a short comment Roland00 - 19/08/2010 01:13:39 AM 1441 Views
we also have freedom of speech random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:25:52 PM 1285 Views
The connection is inevitable and, I think, deliberate. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:15:41 PM 1490 Views
Hmm snoopcester - 18/08/2010 02:26:17 PM 1279 Views
Bottom line is it may be in everyones interest to DISassociate Islam from 911. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:58:17 PM 1357 Views
No, bottom line is people need to be able to keep to thoughts in their brains at any given time *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:31:03 PM 616 Views
You mean retain both "I want to promote Islam" AND "Dude, Ground Zero is right THERE! *points*" Joel - 18/08/2010 03:36:34 PM 1319 Views
No Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:43:08 PM 1378 Views
They clearly are tied to it. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:59:45 PM 1392 Views
How long ago were the Crusades? Jeordam - 18/08/2010 03:48:53 PM 1286 Views
Re: How long ago were the Crusades? Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:52:23 PM 1315 Views
So wait... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:09:10 PM 1254 Views
Yes, Jerodam. Christians are good. All the rest are bad. I see it now. Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:10:47 PM 1345 Views
Stop freaking out Camilla. You are such a drama queen some times. Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:15:06 PM 1341 Views
That is not drama. That is fed up. *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:16:32 PM 716 Views
You're not the only one who is fed up.... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:24:27 PM 1188 Views
*giggle* Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:29:03 PM 1360 Views
We don't know that.... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 05:40:25 PM 1351 Views
We do nossy - 18/08/2010 05:49:33 PM 1463 Views
Re: You're not the only one who is fed up.... Helene - 18/08/2010 04:38:04 PM 1384 Views
This may be nitpicking, but I'll do it anyway because it's a widespread misconception... Legolas - 18/08/2010 04:30:20 PM 1303 Views
THANK YOU! Aisha - 18/08/2010 06:11:52 PM 1233 Views
Re: So wait... snoopcester - 18/08/2010 04:45:53 PM 1310 Views
I agreed with you at first - thought your first post was pretty insightful. nossy - 18/08/2010 05:46:02 PM 1331 Views
maybe it is actions that led to the crusades that never ended random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:25:20 PM 1237 Views
I have to agree with Jeo that that's unfair. Joel - 19/08/2010 02:47:23 PM 1532 Views
The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way snoopcester - 18/08/2010 04:04:54 PM 1329 Views
Re: The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:11:34 PM 1338 Views
Depends whom you ask, when and where. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:06:18 PM 1281 Views
Right snoopcester - 20/08/2010 10:31:21 AM 1338 Views
Some people will always wonder about such things; we're still accused of "Crusading" today. Joel - 18/08/2010 04:07:02 PM 1339 Views
I don't disagree about the outreach, as such, but a remark... Legolas - 18/08/2010 04:37:52 PM 1216 Views
It's as much a local issue as the theme park Disney wanted to build at Gettysburg. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:15:03 PM 1242 Views
Have you ever BEEN to Gettysburg? SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 05:21:18 PM 1191 Views
A bit more background information Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:30:04 PM 1476 Views
That's informative, thanks, but I'm not sure it really changes anything. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:27:05 PM 1269 Views
Step One: Manufacture controversey by means of misinformation (i.e. Mosque at Ground Zero) Vodalus - 19/08/2010 06:40:49 PM 1465 Views
To be fair snoopcester - 20/08/2010 10:38:01 AM 1409 Views
The location of this mosque is a horrid idea. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:34:58 PM 1263 Views
"Think of it as a center for muslim hippies." Jragghen - 18/08/2010 09:30:55 PM 1400 Views
Can I just say... LadyLorraine - 19/08/2010 01:45:38 AM 1238 Views
i have a side bar *NM* Aisha - 19/08/2010 03:36:10 AM 546 Views
you must have a teeny screen or a bad resolution LadyLorraine - 19/08/2010 05:03:57 AM 1322 Views
I know. Avendesora - 19/08/2010 12:20:11 PM 1386 Views
Roughly 2 football fields, yes. And around a corner SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 03:17:24 PM 1347 Views
Two hundred yards is nothing. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:44:34 PM 1281 Views
Sure it is - it's two large city blocks SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 05:15:46 PM 1348 Views
It's two fairly average city blocks, and not even that some places. Joel - 21/08/2010 06:07:33 PM 1310 Views
Well you can not like it if you choose SilverWarder - 25/08/2010 03:39:49 PM 1715 Views
You keep stating that this isn't about Islam. Libby - 20/08/2010 11:06:10 AM 1407 Views
That's because it's not. Joel - 21/08/2010 06:17:29 PM 1416 Views
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