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Yes, Jerodam. Christians are good. All the rest are bad. I see it now. Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/08/2010 04:10:47 PM

I think the reason the Crusades are brought up is because they are perceived as never having ended. What we define as the crusades did, but the tendency of Christian Europe expanding and spreading throughout the world only ended in the middle of the last century, when America took over. Imperialism is seen as a continuation of the same trend, and "crusades" are used as shorthand.

Imperialism is equated to the Crusades? That is a viewpoint that I had never heard of before. Lets be honest when it comes to the spread of Christianity. It has done *far* more good then bad. Christianity was the subject & inspiration for any number of artistic endevours. It paved the way for modernization of the west. And for crying out loud, the first book off of the printing press was the Bible.

The spread of Christianity is a good thing. You don't see Christian parents "circumcising" their daughters. You don't see them forcing their women to wear head to toe robes with only their finger tips & eyes visiable. And you do not see Christian armed forces stoning people or tossing acid on girls on their way to school. Of course, there are Christians out there who are wierd and do strange and anti-social things, but they are the exception and not the rule. The vast majority of us have found the balance between their faith and modern life. That is a balance that Islam has not found for the vast majority of muslims.

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Wait, wait WAIT! The location for the so-called "mosque at ground zero" is actually 2 blocks away?! Avendesora - 17/08/2010 03:19:02 PM 2724 Views
it's still too close!! IT'S TOO CLOSE I SAY LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 03:23:12 PM 1692 Views
*NM* ironclad - 18/08/2010 11:40:26 AM 770 Views
Yes, it is. Elaine - 17/08/2010 03:23:33 PM 1721 Views
Another stupid question...is it even actually a mosque? Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:28:37 PM 1563 Views
I've heard the same. nossy - 17/08/2010 03:30:36 PM 1481 Views
So Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:35:43 PM 1599 Views
blog link nossy - 17/08/2010 03:41:43 PM 1837 Views
that's correct *NM* damookster - 17/08/2010 03:51:38 PM 762 Views
it's both from what I've heard. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:00:54 PM 1478 Views
sort of like most churches, mosques and temples? *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:04:12 PM 758 Views
mmm, i think more like... LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:08:55 PM 1465 Views
it is a community center with a mosque Aisha - 17/08/2010 04:28:08 PM 1384 Views
A memorial! Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:58:52 PM 1596 Views
it is a community center with a mosque Aisha - 17/08/2010 04:28:09 PM 1532 Views
my wife's church has a play ground and community center random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:47:52 PM 1490 Views
okay, cool then LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:17:04 PM 1315 Views
I was just being nit picky random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:44:36 PM 1319 Views
Been hearing a lot on NPR nossy - 17/08/2010 03:32:42 PM 1557 Views
I could see it being insensitive if it were actually where the towers used to be. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 03:43:18 PM 1648 Views
Yeah. nossy - 17/08/2010 03:51:13 PM 1564 Views
precisely. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:02:44 PM 1427 Views
This could be part of the reason that most of the opposition doesn't seem to be coming from locals. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 03:53:06 PM 1572 Views
seriously, it's not like property is some ample commodity in NYC *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:03:24 PM 802 Views
you should probably keep in mind.... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:02:25 PM 1580 Views
So Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:06:18 PM 1634 Views
Ground Zero specifically refers to the north and south towers where the planes struck... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:26:40 PM 1552 Views
don't use that term at all. Say WTC. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:27:32 AM 773 Views
I know. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:26:19 PM 1478 Views
it certainly has turned into a political land mine for Obama... damookster - 17/08/2010 03:54:03 PM 1493 Views
True nossy - 17/08/2010 04:02:04 PM 1306 Views
unfortunately... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:05:08 PM 1448 Views
That's because they are pussies. nossy - 17/08/2010 04:10:59 PM 1607 Views
This is beginning to sound familiar. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:18:37 PM 1679 Views
with the senate majority leader weighing it I don't believe it is all how it is mostly on the right random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:58:10 PM 1573 Views
Seems we disagree on that, then. Legolas - 17/08/2010 06:05:33 PM 1545 Views
hardly the first time random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:56:33 PM 1525 Views
Well, since day 1 of this whole debate alot of the opposition has come from the right. Variant - 17/08/2010 10:50:49 PM 1567 Views
you assume it is pandering maybe they just agree with the majority random thoughts - 18/08/2010 02:30:53 AM 1469 Views
I'm not saying it's a partisan issue, but it has turned political for all the wrong reasons. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:18:49 AM 1647 Views
is the idea that it is not to close to ground zero the misinformation you are refering to? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:09:17 PM 1476 Views
Well, it's not like they're literally on ground zero. Variant - 18/08/2010 08:54:08 PM 1647 Views
ground zero is defined as where the old WTC complex was random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:23:32 PM 1451 Views
And anything within a 3 block radius apparently? Variant - 20/08/2010 04:44:25 AM 1509 Views
Guess which of them will be out of a job in January? Joel - 18/08/2010 01:22:49 PM 1494 Views
the only reason Obama won't be out of job is he isn't running random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:10:58 PM 1453 Views
Oh, I dunno if you could translate the current numbers into Obamas defeat. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:52:18 PM 1514 Views
Bush's numbers were much better in 04 then Obama's are now random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:11:31 PM 1611 Views
Perhaps so then. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:51:36 PM 1492 Views
it was a large event so two half blocks really is pretty damn close random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:03:17 PM 1596 Views
Here's a map of the site for perspective Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:08:41 PM 1651 Views
so 2 blocks from the superblock then? LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:13:03 PM 1703 Views
I guess, superblock is an obscure term to this country lad Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:41:11 PM 1469 Views
It may not necessarily matter to people who are aware of that fact. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:13:12 PM 1456 Views
mk, well, to my mind (being from phoeni, 1 full city block is about 1 mile. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:15:49 PM 1512 Views
A mile is a serious exaggeration, surely. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:24:48 PM 1634 Views
Remember, I did say in Phoenix LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:27:43 PM 1561 Views
I really need to see Phoenix some day. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:32:40 PM 1551 Views
i still think houston is more spread out than phoenix moondog - 18/08/2010 08:21:10 AM 1547 Views
unless you go far enough west of course random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:30:45 PM 1412 Views
most of california is pretty spread out, city-wise. moondog - 19/08/2010 02:16:44 AM 1378 Views
true, I was think along the lines of San Fransico random thoughts - 19/08/2010 03:47:12 AM 1463 Views
Absolutely. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:28:38 PM 1538 Views
Yeah, and it seems to be about 10 autobuses in distance on Google Earth. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:29:43 PM 1409 Views
In NYC, generally 1 mile = 20 blocks *NM* BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 05:25:21 PM 815 Views
Okay. I guess i just forget how much larger Phoenix is *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:28:13 PM 729 Views
Google Earth says 500 feet between mosque and GZ *NM* Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:30:59 PM 754 Views
*edit* Just for reference... one mile = 5280 feet, 500ft = approx 1/10 of a mile. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:26:19 PM 1480 Views
Judging by Google Earth, the blocks inbetween both contain a single large building. (edit) Legolas - 17/08/2010 07:08:05 PM 1396 Views
Clarify: 500 ft between the mosque and the border of the area on the map? *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 07:03:51 PM 733 Views
Probably, given my corner-to-corner result. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 07:26:19 PM 764 Views
Yes, down West Broadway (contains old ground view from site) Isaac - 17/08/2010 07:31:58 PM 1685 Views
Personally, I think this supports Ave's point. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:16:15 PM 1564 Views
yes... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:29:51 PM 1587 Views
Right. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:31:29 PM 1522 Views
Believe me, honey. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:32:47 PM 1379 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 04:37:19 PM 1444 Views
You know what else is on Park Place? A strip club. Aeryn - 17/08/2010 11:58:56 PM 1448 Views
Really? I had no idea Isaac - 18/08/2010 12:06:27 AM 1508 Views
Re: Really? I had no idea Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:24:54 AM 1547 Views
Hmm... Isaac - 18/08/2010 01:23:14 AM 1487 Views
I didn't even know I was responding to you. Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:08:36 AM 1458 Views
Thanks Isaac - 18/08/2010 04:23:47 AM 1449 Views
It happens...? Joel - 18/08/2010 01:29:44 PM 1289 Views
knowing there's a strip club and "walking those streets"; seems like you've "gotten around" moondog - 18/08/2010 02:03:14 AM 1503 Views
*NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:10:10 AM 740 Views
They're building on the hallowed ground of a Burlington Coat Factory! Vodalus - 17/08/2010 04:13:06 PM 1547 Views
how so? LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:14:17 PM 1374 Views
Maybe it's got something to do with Cordoba, Spain? Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:16:38 PM 1452 Views
From when the Moors conquered Spain Vodalus - 17/08/2010 04:18:18 PM 1626 Views
ah mk. fair enough then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 04:35:39 PM 861 Views
to clarify though snoopcester - 17/08/2010 04:50:19 PM 1425 Views
in that respect, I rather like the name *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:23:18 PM 806 Views
Yes, but you have to remember the mindset of those protesting. Vodalus - 17/08/2010 09:49:26 PM 1511 Views
Oh indeed snoopcester - 18/08/2010 10:20:45 AM 1538 Views
Oh, yeah. I foolishly assumed people would know that part. *NM* Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:34:39 PM 772 Views
Sorry, but the card says it was "the Moops" so you must be wrong. Tom - 18/08/2010 03:56:11 PM 1472 Views
Aaaaaaaaagh Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:13:17 PM 1467 Views
*NM* Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:31:20 PM 737 Views
Or a Christian conquest of Islam, surely. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:07:53 PM 1579 Views
Right on the button. *NM* Tim - 17/08/2010 04:19:39 PM 753 Views
Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... damookster - 17/08/2010 04:33:31 PM 1422 Views
Re: Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:34:47 PM 1429 Views
it was a rhetorical question in his column damookster - 17/08/2010 04:43:25 PM 1564 Views
that is hardly the same thing random thoughts - 17/08/2010 04:56:43 PM 1506 Views
so suppose... damookster - 17/08/2010 06:06:03 PM 1438 Views
I am sure it will I just don't see the relevance random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:57:41 PM 1552 Views
My question is, why would you want to put a mosque/community center/thing that close? StormCrow - 17/08/2010 04:39:05 PM 1454 Views
angry New Yorkers? damookster - 17/08/2010 04:45:01 PM 1556 Views
I was going to guess 4 protests to your earlier post. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 04:50:08 PM 1529 Views
We do not live in fear of what "a few crazy people" might do. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:02:06 AM 711 Views
Re: angry New Yorkers? snoopcester - 17/08/2010 04:53:58 PM 1488 Views
I was wondering about that. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 04:56:28 PM 1566 Views
Re: I was wondering about that. snoopcester - 17/08/2010 05:05:50 PM 1550 Views
interesting map, thanks for posting it. *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 05:55:06 PM 790 Views
That's a good point too and I didn't think about that. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 05:39:53 PM 1645 Views
I think what this position misses Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 1693 Views
Ok, sure. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 06:09:33 PM 1561 Views
Hoboken? The_Muted_Grimaud - 17/08/2010 09:06:07 PM 1407 Views
Indeed. Not a serious suggestion about putting it there. StormCrow - 17/08/2010 09:13:35 PM 1377 Views
angry New Yorkers? Geez, we are more civilized than that, thank you. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 12:01:12 AM 711 Views
not really *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 02:31:46 AM 632 Views
your opinion is noted. now go eff yourself. *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 04:11:25 AM 687 Views
that's pretty good BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 04:44:14 AM 1471 Views
That's right. Why resort to violence when a good rant will do? *NM* Aeryn - 18/08/2010 06:09:27 AM 715 Views
and a heart fuck off to you but thanks for the ironic reply *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:18:25 PM 718 Views
How is it ironic? *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:43:50 PM 787 Views
How was his uncivilized response ironic? *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:18:17 PM 696 Views
Yes. Where is the irony? Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:20:57 PM 1416 Views
Re: How was his uncivilized response ironic? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:23:25 PM 1411 Views
Aaah Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:31:02 PM 1470 Views
Re: Aaah random thoughts - 18/08/2010 05:30:07 PM 1407 Views
Re: Aaah Camilla - 18/08/2010 05:38:47 PM 1467 Views
To both of you: her. And she. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 05:44:03 PM 719 Views
I knew that. *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 05:45:21 PM 703 Views
I'm not a New Yorker. Not impuning your civility either. StormCrow - 19/08/2010 02:45:55 AM 1657 Views
Because the building is cheap as hell, because they're mostly abandoned in those areas Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:25:13 AM 1486 Views
Something I'm confused on Isaac - 17/08/2010 04:59:41 PM 1754 Views
another thing to consider. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 05:02:38 PM 1433 Views
You'll have to explain to me what that has to do with what I said Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:10:21 PM 1440 Views
I don't think anyone is saying it's not "near" ground zero. Sareitha Sedai - 17/08/2010 05:12:52 PM 1557 Views
Of course you're confused. It was a tangental thought. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:06:29 PM 1490 Views
Fair enough, I can't really criticize others for going off on tangents since I do it so much *NM* Isaac - 17/08/2010 06:36:54 PM 746 Views
On that tangent though, an interesting article Isaac - 17/08/2010 07:50:44 PM 1569 Views
From what I understand, there's another mosque very close to the site Brian - 17/08/2010 05:06:26 PM 1607 Views
I understand there's also a strip club and a xxx movie rental shop within that same 2 blocks radius. Legolas - 17/08/2010 05:09:26 PM 1522 Views
Looks like 2 or 3 blocks, I love Google Earth Isaac - 17/08/2010 05:17:01 PM 1563 Views
True but the buildings were not nocked down by radical strippers *NM* random thoughts - 17/08/2010 05:52:04 PM 739 Views
Joss Whedon purchased the rights to this movie already. *NM* StormCrow - 17/08/2010 06:29:34 PM 797 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:38:27 PM 713 Views
Yep. Is true. *NM* Aeryn - 17/08/2010 11:59:31 PM 732 Views
What do strip clubs and dirty movies and gay bars have to do with 9/11? *NM* ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:33:59 AM 746 Views
Nothing, which is precisely the point. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 12:37:52 AM 748 Views
Can you explain your point to me then? Because I'm not following it. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:21:13 AM 1402 Views
The argument is that it's "hallowed ground" and therefore should be treated with "respect" Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:26:44 AM 1581 Views
No. That might be one argument, but hardly the only one. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:31:14 AM 1555 Views
Pretty much what Greg said. Legolas - 18/08/2010 09:39:33 AM 1490 Views
then you are missing the point random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:02:49 PM 1643 Views
In all fairness... Variant - 18/08/2010 09:46:26 PM 1531 Views
these guys are not babes in the woods random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:28:24 PM 1362 Views
I never said they were. Variant - 20/08/2010 04:56:53 AM 1535 Views
Respond/Double post. *NM* Variant - 20/08/2010 04:57:25 AM 663 Views
This whole debate disgusts me. Napoleon62 - 17/08/2010 05:24:56 PM 1679 Views
I'm not going to ask why. *NM* Avendesora - 17/08/2010 06:21:13 PM 716 Views
Agreed Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:10:34 PM 1634 Views
Yep, I see a lot of ugliness in this discussion ironclad - 18/08/2010 11:42:34 AM 1441 Views
Jon Stewart made good point last night Aisha - 17/08/2010 05:34:19 PM 1557 Views
but it's the CONCEPT!!! practical effect is not the POINT of political debate!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 05:53:30 PM 736 Views
which is why Obama was crazy to get anywhere this issue random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1431 Views
He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't Brian - 17/08/2010 06:18:16 PM 1433 Views
that really isn't true random thoughts - 17/08/2010 07:09:29 PM 1531 Views
yah he really should have just stayed mum about it LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 07:37:03 PM 1487 Views
Ye gods, I agree with you AND CELIA! Joel - 18/08/2010 01:36:21 PM 1635 Views
double post random thoughts - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1443 Views
Hatemongers gotta hate. Beqi - 17/08/2010 07:43:17 PM 1481 Views
More than anything, I see this being a sensitivity issue.... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 07:43:45 PM 1458 Views
Avendesora - 17/08/2010 07:52:07 PM 1475 Views
Right on. Jeordam - 17/08/2010 08:09:44 PM 1437 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:12:20 PM 1206 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:12:21 PM 1506 Views
The crux is they can't HELP stirring "up the grief and pain of the past. " Joel - 18/08/2010 01:49:21 PM 1559 Views
are you serious? Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:01:01 PM 1576 Views
I think you got the point right there. Beqi - 17/08/2010 08:08:21 PM 1484 Views
Yes, I am... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 08:14:27 PM 1462 Views
The point is your analogy does not hold Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:19:29 PM 1481 Views
Plus snoopcester - 17/08/2010 08:26:36 PM 1539 Views
Yes. That. *NM* Camilla - 17/08/2010 08:28:14 PM 1367 Views
we should all learn pool saftey from pigeons and sparrows. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:37:37 PM 1404 Views
Sicko! snoopcester - 17/08/2010 08:48:05 PM 1436 Views
Re: Yes, I am... Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:42:27 PM 1580 Views
Just to be a pain in the... StormCrow - 17/08/2010 09:10:11 PM 1503 Views
Aren't they? Jeordam - 17/08/2010 09:19:58 PM 1559 Views
You may be interested in... Legolas - 17/08/2010 09:23:48 PM 1652 Views
*nods* So I was right.... Jeordam - 17/08/2010 09:26:59 PM 1342 Views
actually, it depends on the extent of the burning. LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 11:01:11 PM 1407 Views
That is probably not fair snoopcester - 17/08/2010 11:12:22 PM 1439 Views
I know! ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 03:06:25 AM 1457 Views
it's all relative. nossy - 18/08/2010 03:33:35 AM 1618 Views
Using a touch of hyperbole, perhaps? snoopcester - 18/08/2010 10:18:36 AM 1509 Views
I'm so proud of you for noticing! ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 10:48:14 AM 1568 Views
Just making sure you knew I wasn't mistaking your reply for a constructive one snoopcester - 18/08/2010 12:08:41 PM 1433 Views
I give constuctive replies where they are due ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:30:42 PM 1519 Views
snoopcester - 18/08/2010 12:33:57 PM 1505 Views
ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:41:27 PM 1563 Views
Hey Snoop... ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:47:13 PM 1543 Views
What the hell were these people smoking? Joel - 18/08/2010 02:14:44 PM 1632 Views
COMPLETELY unrelated point that I don't blame you for ignoring... beckstcw - 19/08/2010 04:25:31 AM 1407 Views
And yet that's very close to what MADD and SADD do. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:56:51 PM 1603 Views
you are right of course random thoughts - 17/08/2010 08:22:23 PM 1446 Views
Re: you are right of course Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:34:31 PM 1609 Views
I agree. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 08:46:07 PM 1409 Views
you could be correct but it still shows a lack of sensitivity random thoughts - 17/08/2010 09:34:46 PM 1621 Views
I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 08:10:01 PM 1592 Views
Re: I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing *NM* Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:29:59 PM 671 Views
This. Avendesora - 17/08/2010 08:31:17 PM 1484 Views
So, you're saying muslims should leave nyc to show their sensitivity, right? BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 10:31:55 PM 1433 Views
so your saying you always speak in over the top rhetoric? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:22:20 PM 1310 Views
Well explain what the difference is, then BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 07:14:46 PM 1456 Views
not really sure how to start random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:23:34 PM 1515 Views
THANK YOU ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:13:16 AM 1554 Views
Take deep breaths.. Variant - 18/08/2010 05:25:16 AM 1485 Views
Typing a post didn't really require all that much effort ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 06:13:15 AM 1541 Views
There are more important things in the world to worry about Ghavrel - 18/08/2010 08:51:35 AM 1534 Views
I do get angry over other things, you know ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 10:02:02 AM 1478 Views
Pretty much, yeah. Ghavrel - 18/08/2010 09:00:09 PM 1487 Views
I disagree, anger doesn't help in this debate, and it's only going to make things worse. Variant - 18/08/2010 10:56:30 AM 1536 Views
: Joel - 18/08/2010 02:52:51 PM 1625 Views
So what, the Americans supporting this mosque are "arrogant European pricks"? Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:12:51 AM 1346 Views
Kind of a stretch for you to make that assumption ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 11:31:16 AM 1541 Views
I hadn't read that other exchange yet, it made more sense after that. Legolas - 18/08/2010 12:35:18 PM 1584 Views
My only real objection is the same old one over whether respect is an entitlement. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:21:19 PM 1384 Views
A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:23:11 AM 1517 Views
Here comes the "xenophobia card." ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:27:50 AM 1576 Views
Which is why there was a bombing at another mosque earlier this year Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:31:51 AM 1459 Views
So? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:39:49 AM 1553 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 BlackAdder - 18/08/2010 01:28:44 AM 1596 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:34:22 AM 1557 Views
I think a better parallel would be the new neighbors opening a pool store. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:40:42 PM 1555 Views
A guy on CNN made a really good point about this Aisha - 17/08/2010 08:46:54 PM 1588 Views
That analogy really isn't better than Jeo's, and I would think worse. *NM* Legolas - 17/08/2010 09:02:50 PM 753 Views
hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog LadyLorraine - 17/08/2010 09:22:15 PM 1498 Views
Re: hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog Aisha - 17/08/2010 10:32:24 PM 1630 Views
precisely. Camilla - 17/08/2010 11:20:06 PM 1367 Views
Re: precisely. Aisha - 18/08/2010 01:32:09 AM 1486 Views
Re: precisely. Camilla - 18/08/2010 09:10:33 AM 1464 Views
not surprising that a guy on CNN made that point random thoughts - 17/08/2010 09:38:16 PM 1573 Views
Yeah this whole debate is pretty pointless to be completely honest BlackAdder - 17/08/2010 10:28:13 PM 1518 Views
An interesting point Vodalus - 18/08/2010 03:44:52 AM 1539 Views
In fairness, it's extremely hard to draw that line sometimes. Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:27:24 AM 1455 Views
well we have been shot at from enough mosque to make it hard to tell at times random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:25:58 PM 1508 Views
I think this whole debate has made American look bad. Variant - 17/08/2010 10:58:23 PM 1429 Views
So what? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:28:40 AM 1504 Views
Okay, so we're no longer the land of religous tolerance. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:09:24 AM 1696 Views
Were we ever? ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 04:18:16 AM 1657 Views
I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 04:25:03 AM 1606 Views
Re: I guess not. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 05:56:49 AM 1488 Views
Re: I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 10:43:05 AM 1475 Views
Re: I guess not. ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 12:13:37 PM 1295 Views
Re: I guess not. Variant - 18/08/2010 09:30:21 PM 1430 Views
Yes, we were. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:34:39 PM 1481 Views
How does this work, do you only look bad to a bunch of ass wipes, or does anyone who thinks you look Helene - 18/08/2010 09:38:28 AM 1417 Views
Olberman's Special Comment on this one hits the nail on the head Jragghen - 18/08/2010 01:29:45 AM 1595 Views
love that the Olberman video, but Jon Stewart did an awesome job too. *NM* Aisha - 18/08/2010 01:32:59 AM 686 Views
Olbermann and Stewart are possibly the two best people alive *NM* Napoleon62 - 18/08/2010 02:39:48 AM 775 Views
they make the top of my list for people I wnat to catch an STD *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 08:27:27 PM 706 Views
Let me just say... Legolas - 18/08/2010 09:20:38 PM 1534 Views
Re: Let me just say... Camilla - 18/08/2010 09:22:12 PM 1507 Views
I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. *NM* Legolas - 18/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 742 Views
Re: I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. Camilla - 18/08/2010 10:45:54 PM 1523 Views
O'Reilly isn't as bad as he's made out to be. (edit) Legolas - 18/08/2010 11:10:33 PM 1582 Views
I'm pretty sure I agree with you. nossy - 18/08/2010 10:48:09 PM 1435 Views
Why is it weird? Legolas - 18/08/2010 11:00:20 PM 1479 Views
dayum! thats like the ultimate insult *NM* Aisha - 19/08/2010 03:37:53 AM 697 Views
Stewart is great, but Olberman? You can't be serious. *NM* damookster - 18/08/2010 11:23:17 PM 785 Views
I love that poem Camilla - 18/08/2010 12:26:58 PM 1596 Views
I used to be so Idealistic to think this was AMERICA. StarrBecca - 18/08/2010 01:44:38 AM 1570 Views
It is America ßelals Girl - 18/08/2010 01:49:35 AM 1549 Views
the key phrase is "congress shall make no law...." moondog - 18/08/2010 02:23:53 AM 1593 Views
14th ammendment changed that *NM* Roland00 - 18/08/2010 04:51:08 AM 742 Views
14th ammendment established a state religion? moondog - 18/08/2010 08:14:11 AM 1399 Views
No, but the Equal Protection Clause extended much of the BoR to the states. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:50:31 PM 1518 Views
did you go the the Huffington Post school of law? random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:29:14 PM 1466 Views
No, but I've spent more time around lawyers than I care to admit. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:45:36 PM 1542 Views
the defendent doesn't always get a complete picture *NM* random thoughts - 18/08/2010 04:25:36 PM 725 Views
The only time I was ever in a courtroom was as a spectator. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:33:56 PM 1528 Views
It was meant to be a short comment Roland00 - 19/08/2010 01:13:39 AM 1580 Views
we also have freedom of speech random thoughts - 18/08/2010 03:25:52 PM 1455 Views
The connection is inevitable and, I think, deliberate. Joel - 18/08/2010 01:15:41 PM 1652 Views
Hmm snoopcester - 18/08/2010 02:26:17 PM 1401 Views
Bottom line is it may be in everyones interest to DISassociate Islam from 911. Joel - 18/08/2010 02:58:17 PM 1489 Views
No, bottom line is people need to be able to keep to thoughts in their brains at any given time *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:31:03 PM 704 Views
You mean retain both "I want to promote Islam" AND "Dude, Ground Zero is right THERE! *points*" Joel - 18/08/2010 03:36:34 PM 1439 Views
No Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:43:08 PM 1497 Views
They clearly are tied to it. Joel - 18/08/2010 03:59:45 PM 1528 Views
How long ago were the Crusades? Jeordam - 18/08/2010 03:48:53 PM 1409 Views
Re: How long ago were the Crusades? Camilla - 18/08/2010 03:52:23 PM 1450 Views
So wait... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:09:10 PM 1394 Views
Yes, Jerodam. Christians are good. All the rest are bad. I see it now. Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:10:47 PM 1490 Views
Stop freaking out Camilla. You are such a drama queen some times. Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:15:06 PM 1482 Views
That is not drama. That is fed up. *NM* Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:16:32 PM 804 Views
You're not the only one who is fed up.... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 04:24:27 PM 1286 Views
*giggle* Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:29:03 PM 1491 Views
We don't know that.... Jeordam - 18/08/2010 05:40:25 PM 1467 Views
We do nossy - 18/08/2010 05:49:33 PM 1591 Views
Re: You're not the only one who is fed up.... Helene - 18/08/2010 04:38:04 PM 1508 Views
This may be nitpicking, but I'll do it anyway because it's a widespread misconception... Legolas - 18/08/2010 04:30:20 PM 1428 Views
THANK YOU! Aisha - 18/08/2010 06:11:52 PM 1373 Views
Re: So wait... snoopcester - 18/08/2010 04:45:53 PM 1438 Views
I agreed with you at first - thought your first post was pretty insightful. nossy - 18/08/2010 05:46:02 PM 1477 Views
maybe it is actions that led to the crusades that never ended random thoughts - 19/08/2010 12:25:20 PM 1375 Views
I have to agree with Jeo that that's unfair. Joel - 19/08/2010 02:47:23 PM 1676 Views
The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way snoopcester - 18/08/2010 04:04:54 PM 1450 Views
Re: The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way Camilla - 18/08/2010 04:11:34 PM 1474 Views
Depends whom you ask, when and where. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:06:18 PM 1401 Views
Right snoopcester - 20/08/2010 10:31:21 AM 1463 Views
Some people will always wonder about such things; we're still accused of "Crusading" today. Joel - 18/08/2010 04:07:02 PM 1479 Views
I don't disagree about the outreach, as such, but a remark... Legolas - 18/08/2010 04:37:52 PM 1342 Views
It's as much a local issue as the theme park Disney wanted to build at Gettysburg. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:15:03 PM 1405 Views
Have you ever BEEN to Gettysburg? SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 05:21:18 PM 1311 Views
A bit more background information Vodalus - 18/08/2010 05:30:04 PM 1600 Views
That's informative, thanks, but I'm not sure it really changes anything. Joel - 19/08/2010 03:27:05 PM 1416 Views
Step One: Manufacture controversey by means of misinformation (i.e. Mosque at Ground Zero) Vodalus - 19/08/2010 06:40:49 PM 1584 Views
To be fair snoopcester - 20/08/2010 10:38:01 AM 1540 Views
The location of this mosque is a horrid idea. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:34:58 PM 1407 Views
"Think of it as a center for muslim hippies." Jragghen - 18/08/2010 09:30:55 PM 1532 Views
Can I just say... LadyLorraine - 19/08/2010 01:45:38 AM 1360 Views
i have a side bar *NM* Aisha - 19/08/2010 03:36:10 AM 632 Views
you must have a teeny screen or a bad resolution LadyLorraine - 19/08/2010 05:03:57 AM 1446 Views
I know. Avendesora - 19/08/2010 12:20:11 PM 1508 Views
Roughly 2 football fields, yes. And around a corner SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 03:17:24 PM 1469 Views
Two hundred yards is nothing. Joel - 19/08/2010 04:44:34 PM 1411 Views
Sure it is - it's two large city blocks SilverWarder - 19/08/2010 05:15:46 PM 1479 Views
It's two fairly average city blocks, and not even that some places. Joel - 21/08/2010 06:07:33 PM 1443 Views
Well you can not like it if you choose SilverWarder - 25/08/2010 03:39:49 PM 1847 Views
You keep stating that this isn't about Islam. Libby - 20/08/2010 11:06:10 AM 1529 Views
That's because it's not. Joel - 21/08/2010 06:17:29 PM 1555 Views
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