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You're not the only one who is fed up.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 18/08/2010 04:24:27 PM
as someone else pointed out....

All the time, we (as Americans) go out of our way to bend over backwards so as to not offend someone. Yet when we ask for the same consideration, our hurt feelings are completely disregarded and people freak out that we are upset.

Instead of attempting to achieve understanding or dialogue, we get a bunch of non-Americans who get all pissy and start preaching about our own rule of law and Constitution (as if it matters to you at all). Let us not forget...never once have Americans ever considered banning religious symbols from public forums (hello France). America doesn't have a law where you cannot speak something because it is considered illegal at face value (Germany).

So check your own fed-up ness at the door, Camilla. If anyone should be fed up, it should be us. Because ultimately, we were slapped in the face...you cannot expect us to not react when someone raises a hand.

~Jeordam
ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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Wait, wait WAIT! The location for the so-called "mosque at ground zero" is actually 2 blocks away?! - 17/08/2010 03:19:02 PM 2607 Views
it's still too close!! IT'S TOO CLOSE I SAY - 17/08/2010 03:23:12 PM 1602 Views
*NM* - 18/08/2010 11:40:26 AM 693 Views
Yes, it is. - 17/08/2010 03:23:33 PM 1607 Views
Another stupid question...is it even actually a mosque? - 17/08/2010 03:28:37 PM 1460 Views
I've heard the same. - 17/08/2010 03:30:36 PM 1381 Views
So - 17/08/2010 03:35:43 PM 1495 Views
blog link - 17/08/2010 03:41:43 PM 1699 Views
that's correct *NM* - 17/08/2010 03:51:38 PM 689 Views
it's both from what I've heard. - 17/08/2010 04:00:54 PM 1376 Views
sort of like most churches, mosques and temples? *NM* - 17/08/2010 04:04:12 PM 688 Views
mmm, i think more like... - 17/08/2010 04:08:55 PM 1355 Views
it is a community center with a mosque - 17/08/2010 04:28:08 PM 1265 Views
A memorial! - 17/08/2010 04:58:52 PM 1492 Views
it is a community center with a mosque - 17/08/2010 04:28:09 PM 1426 Views
my wife's church has a play ground and community center - 17/08/2010 04:47:52 PM 1372 Views
okay, cool then - 17/08/2010 05:17:04 PM 1218 Views
I was just being nit picky - 17/08/2010 05:44:36 PM 1222 Views
Been hearing a lot on NPR - 17/08/2010 03:32:42 PM 1456 Views
I could see it being insensitive if it were actually where the towers used to be. - 17/08/2010 03:43:18 PM 1543 Views
Yeah. - 17/08/2010 03:51:13 PM 1491 Views
precisely. - 17/08/2010 04:02:44 PM 1326 Views
you should probably keep in mind.... - 17/08/2010 04:02:25 PM 1476 Views
So - 17/08/2010 04:06:18 PM 1526 Views
don't use that term at all. Say WTC. *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:27:32 AM 695 Views
I know. - 17/08/2010 04:26:19 PM 1370 Views
it certainly has turned into a political land mine for Obama... - 17/08/2010 03:54:03 PM 1387 Views
True - 17/08/2010 04:02:04 PM 1195 Views
unfortunately... - 17/08/2010 04:05:08 PM 1348 Views
That's because they are pussies. - 17/08/2010 04:10:59 PM 1507 Views
This is beginning to sound familiar. - 17/08/2010 05:18:37 PM 1583 Views
with the senate majority leader weighing it I don't believe it is all how it is mostly on the right - 17/08/2010 05:58:10 PM 1462 Views
Seems we disagree on that, then. - 17/08/2010 06:05:33 PM 1442 Views
hardly the first time - 17/08/2010 06:56:33 PM 1417 Views
Well, since day 1 of this whole debate alot of the opposition has come from the right. - 17/08/2010 10:50:49 PM 1425 Views
you assume it is pandering maybe they just agree with the majority - 18/08/2010 02:30:53 AM 1374 Views
I'm not saying it's a partisan issue, but it has turned political for all the wrong reasons. - 18/08/2010 04:18:49 AM 1532 Views
is the idea that it is not to close to ground zero the misinformation you are refering to? - 18/08/2010 03:09:17 PM 1370 Views
Well, it's not like they're literally on ground zero. - 18/08/2010 08:54:08 PM 1540 Views
ground zero is defined as where the old WTC complex was - 19/08/2010 12:23:32 PM 1356 Views
And anything within a 3 block radius apparently? - 20/08/2010 04:44:25 AM 1399 Views
Guess which of them will be out of a job in January? - 18/08/2010 01:22:49 PM 1392 Views
the only reason Obama won't be out of job is he isn't running - 18/08/2010 03:10:58 PM 1343 Views
Oh, I dunno if you could translate the current numbers into Obamas defeat. - 18/08/2010 03:52:18 PM 1408 Views
Bush's numbers were much better in 04 then Obama's are now - 18/08/2010 04:11:31 PM 1496 Views
Perhaps so then. - 19/08/2010 04:51:36 PM 1386 Views
it was a large event so two half blocks really is pretty damn close - 17/08/2010 04:03:17 PM 1491 Views
Here's a map of the site for perspective - 17/08/2010 04:08:41 PM 1543 Views
so 2 blocks from the superblock then? - 17/08/2010 04:13:03 PM 1585 Views
I guess, superblock is an obscure term to this country lad - 17/08/2010 04:41:11 PM 1361 Views
It may not necessarily matter to people who are aware of that fact. - 17/08/2010 05:13:12 PM 1352 Views
mk, well, to my mind (being from phoeni, 1 full city block is about 1 mile. - 17/08/2010 05:15:49 PM 1407 Views
A mile is a serious exaggeration, surely. - 17/08/2010 05:24:48 PM 1527 Views
Remember, I did say in Phoenix - 17/08/2010 05:27:43 PM 1452 Views
I really need to see Phoenix some day. - 17/08/2010 05:32:40 PM 1450 Views
i still think houston is more spread out than phoenix - 18/08/2010 08:21:10 AM 1447 Views
unless you go far enough west of course - 18/08/2010 03:30:45 PM 1305 Views
most of california is pretty spread out, city-wise. - 19/08/2010 02:16:44 AM 1274 Views
true, I was think along the lines of San Fransico - 19/08/2010 03:47:12 AM 1356 Views
Absolutely. - 17/08/2010 05:28:38 PM 1425 Views
In NYC, generally 1 mile = 20 blocks *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:25:21 PM 738 Views
Okay. I guess i just forget how much larger Phoenix is *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:28:13 PM 638 Views
Google Earth says 500 feet between mosque and GZ *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:30:59 PM 653 Views
Clarify: 500 ft between the mosque and the border of the area on the map? *NM* - 17/08/2010 07:03:51 PM 662 Views
Probably, given my corner-to-corner result. *NM* - 17/08/2010 07:26:19 PM 684 Views
Yes, down West Broadway (contains old ground view from site) - 17/08/2010 07:31:58 PM 1595 Views
Personally, I think this supports Ave's point. - 17/08/2010 04:16:15 PM 1462 Views
yes... - 17/08/2010 04:29:51 PM 1468 Views
Right. - 17/08/2010 04:31:29 PM 1420 Views
Believe me, honey. - 17/08/2010 04:32:47 PM 1275 Views
- 17/08/2010 04:37:19 PM 1331 Views
You know what else is on Park Place? A strip club. - 17/08/2010 11:58:56 PM 1352 Views
Really? I had no idea - 18/08/2010 12:06:27 AM 1443 Views
Re: Really? I had no idea - 18/08/2010 12:24:54 AM 1440 Views
Hmm... - 18/08/2010 01:23:14 AM 1377 Views
I didn't even know I was responding to you. - 18/08/2010 04:08:36 AM 1355 Views
Thanks - 18/08/2010 04:23:47 AM 1344 Views
It happens...? - 18/08/2010 01:29:44 PM 1189 Views
knowing there's a strip club and "walking those streets"; seems like you've "gotten around" - 18/08/2010 02:03:14 AM 1403 Views
*NM* - 18/08/2010 04:10:10 AM 667 Views
They're building on the hallowed ground of a Burlington Coat Factory! - 17/08/2010 04:13:06 PM 1441 Views
how so? - 17/08/2010 04:14:17 PM 1274 Views
Maybe it's got something to do with Cordoba, Spain? - 17/08/2010 04:16:38 PM 1326 Views
From when the Moors conquered Spain - 17/08/2010 04:18:18 PM 1522 Views
ah mk. fair enough then. *NM* - 17/08/2010 04:35:39 PM 786 Views
to clarify though - 17/08/2010 04:50:19 PM 1320 Views
in that respect, I rather like the name *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:23:18 PM 719 Views
Yes, but you have to remember the mindset of those protesting. - 17/08/2010 09:49:26 PM 1396 Views
Oh indeed - 18/08/2010 10:20:45 AM 1421 Views
Oh, yeah. I foolishly assumed people would know that part. *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:34:39 PM 700 Views
Sorry, but the card says it was "the Moops" so you must be wrong. - 18/08/2010 03:56:11 PM 1370 Views
Aaaaaaaaagh - 18/08/2010 04:13:17 PM 1374 Views
*NM* - 18/08/2010 05:31:20 PM 661 Views
Or a Christian conquest of Islam, surely. - 17/08/2010 05:07:53 PM 1473 Views
Right on the button. *NM* - 17/08/2010 04:19:39 PM 671 Views
Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... - 17/08/2010 04:33:31 PM 1312 Views
Re: Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... - 17/08/2010 04:34:47 PM 1324 Views
it was a rhetorical question in his column - 17/08/2010 04:43:25 PM 1426 Views
that is hardly the same thing - 17/08/2010 04:56:43 PM 1394 Views
so suppose... - 17/08/2010 06:06:03 PM 1334 Views
I am sure it will I just don't see the relevance - 17/08/2010 06:57:41 PM 1446 Views
My question is, why would you want to put a mosque/community center/thing that close? - 17/08/2010 04:39:05 PM 1340 Views
angry New Yorkers? - 17/08/2010 04:45:01 PM 1460 Views
I was going to guess 4 protests to your earlier post. - 17/08/2010 04:50:08 PM 1431 Views
Re: angry New Yorkers? - 17/08/2010 04:53:58 PM 1358 Views
I was wondering about that. - 17/08/2010 04:56:28 PM 1465 Views
Re: I was wondering about that. - 17/08/2010 05:05:50 PM 1447 Views
interesting map, thanks for posting it. *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:55:06 PM 719 Views
That's a good point too and I didn't think about that. - 17/08/2010 05:39:53 PM 1543 Views
I think what this position misses - 17/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 1585 Views
Ok, sure. - 17/08/2010 06:09:33 PM 1455 Views
Hoboken? - 17/08/2010 09:06:07 PM 1281 Views
Indeed. Not a serious suggestion about putting it there. - 17/08/2010 09:13:35 PM 1276 Views
angry New Yorkers? Geez, we are more civilized than that, thank you. *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:01:12 AM 638 Views
not really *NM* - 18/08/2010 02:31:46 AM 552 Views
your opinion is noted. now go eff yourself. *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:11:25 AM 605 Views
that's pretty good - 18/08/2010 04:44:14 AM 1365 Views
and a heart fuck off to you but thanks for the ironic reply *NM* - 18/08/2010 03:18:25 PM 639 Views
How is it ironic? *NM* - 18/08/2010 03:43:50 PM 713 Views
How was his uncivilized response ironic? *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:18:17 PM 622 Views
Yes. Where is the irony? - 18/08/2010 04:20:57 PM 1310 Views
Re: How was his uncivilized response ironic? - 18/08/2010 04:23:25 PM 1303 Views
Aaah - 18/08/2010 04:31:02 PM 1363 Views
Re: Aaah - 18/08/2010 05:30:07 PM 1304 Views
Re: Aaah - 18/08/2010 05:38:47 PM 1372 Views
To both of you: her. And she. *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:44:03 PM 646 Views
I knew that. *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:45:21 PM 630 Views
I'm not a New Yorker. Not impuning your civility either. - 19/08/2010 02:45:55 AM 1546 Views
Something I'm confused on - 17/08/2010 04:59:41 PM 1633 Views
another thing to consider. - 17/08/2010 05:02:38 PM 1328 Views
You'll have to explain to me what that has to do with what I said - 17/08/2010 05:10:21 PM 1323 Views
I don't think anyone is saying it's not "near" ground zero. - 17/08/2010 05:12:52 PM 1421 Views
Of course you're confused. It was a tangental thought. - 17/08/2010 06:06:29 PM 1377 Views
On that tangent though, an interesting article - 17/08/2010 07:50:44 PM 1435 Views
I understand there's also a strip club and a xxx movie rental shop within that same 2 blocks radius. - 17/08/2010 05:09:26 PM 1414 Views
Looks like 2 or 3 blocks, I love Google Earth - 17/08/2010 05:17:01 PM 1451 Views
True but the buildings were not nocked down by radical strippers *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:52:04 PM 663 Views
Joss Whedon purchased the rights to this movie already. *NM* - 17/08/2010 06:29:34 PM 710 Views
*NM* - 17/08/2010 06:38:27 PM 639 Views
Yep. Is true. *NM* - 17/08/2010 11:59:31 PM 663 Views
What do strip clubs and dirty movies and gay bars have to do with 9/11? *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:33:59 AM 671 Views
Nothing, which is precisely the point. *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:37:52 AM 674 Views
Can you explain your point to me then? Because I'm not following it. - 18/08/2010 01:21:13 AM 1310 Views
Pretty much what Greg said. - 18/08/2010 09:39:33 AM 1380 Views
then you are missing the point - 18/08/2010 04:02:49 PM 1517 Views
In all fairness... - 18/08/2010 09:46:26 PM 1419 Views
these guys are not babes in the woods - 19/08/2010 12:28:24 PM 1270 Views
I never said they were. - 20/08/2010 04:56:53 AM 1432 Views
Respond/Double post. *NM* - 20/08/2010 04:57:25 AM 592 Views
This whole debate disgusts me. - 17/08/2010 05:24:56 PM 1583 Views
I'm not going to ask why. *NM* - 17/08/2010 06:21:13 PM 645 Views
Agreed - 17/08/2010 08:10:34 PM 1538 Views
Yep, I see a lot of ugliness in this discussion - 18/08/2010 11:42:34 AM 1344 Views
Jon Stewart made good point last night - 17/08/2010 05:34:19 PM 1447 Views
but it's the CONCEPT!!! practical effect is not the POINT of political debate!! *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:53:30 PM 660 Views
which is why Obama was crazy to get anywhere this issue - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1317 Views
He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't - 17/08/2010 06:18:16 PM 1323 Views
that really isn't true - 17/08/2010 07:09:29 PM 1423 Views
yah he really should have just stayed mum about it - 17/08/2010 07:37:03 PM 1380 Views
Ye gods, I agree with you AND CELIA! - 18/08/2010 01:36:21 PM 1527 Views
double post - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1334 Views
Hatemongers gotta hate. - 17/08/2010 07:43:17 PM 1378 Views
More than anything, I see this being a sensitivity issue.... - 17/08/2010 07:43:45 PM 1380 Views
- 17/08/2010 07:52:07 PM 1373 Views
Right on. - 17/08/2010 08:09:44 PM 1314 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. - 17/08/2010 08:12:20 PM 1113 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. - 17/08/2010 08:12:21 PM 1403 Views
are you serious? - 17/08/2010 08:01:01 PM 1471 Views
I think you got the point right there. - 17/08/2010 08:08:21 PM 1376 Views
Yes, I am... - 17/08/2010 08:14:27 PM 1362 Views
The point is your analogy does not hold - 17/08/2010 08:19:29 PM 1352 Views
Plus - 17/08/2010 08:26:36 PM 1426 Views
Yes. That. *NM* - 17/08/2010 08:28:14 PM 1260 Views
we should all learn pool saftey from pigeons and sparrows. - 17/08/2010 08:37:37 PM 1279 Views
Sicko! - 17/08/2010 08:48:05 PM 1341 Views
Re: Yes, I am... - 17/08/2010 08:42:27 PM 1442 Views
Just to be a pain in the... - 17/08/2010 09:10:11 PM 1396 Views
Aren't they? - 17/08/2010 09:19:58 PM 1437 Views
You may be interested in... - 17/08/2010 09:23:48 PM 1532 Views
*nods* So I was right.... - 17/08/2010 09:26:59 PM 1234 Views
actually, it depends on the extent of the burning. - 17/08/2010 11:01:11 PM 1325 Views
That is probably not fair - 17/08/2010 11:12:22 PM 1334 Views
I know! - 18/08/2010 03:06:25 AM 1347 Views
it's all relative. - 18/08/2010 03:33:35 AM 1495 Views
Using a touch of hyperbole, perhaps? - 18/08/2010 10:18:36 AM 1400 Views
I'm so proud of you for noticing! - 18/08/2010 10:48:14 AM 1456 Views
Just making sure you knew I wasn't mistaking your reply for a constructive one - 18/08/2010 12:08:41 PM 1322 Views
I give constuctive replies where they are due - 18/08/2010 12:30:42 PM 1407 Views
- 18/08/2010 12:33:57 PM 1389 Views
- 18/08/2010 12:41:27 PM 1462 Views
Hey Snoop... - 18/08/2010 12:47:13 PM 1436 Views
What the hell were these people smoking? - 18/08/2010 02:14:44 PM 1521 Views
COMPLETELY unrelated point that I don't blame you for ignoring... - 19/08/2010 04:25:31 AM 1304 Views
And yet that's very close to what MADD and SADD do. - 18/08/2010 01:56:51 PM 1498 Views
you are right of course - 17/08/2010 08:22:23 PM 1344 Views
Re: you are right of course - 17/08/2010 08:34:31 PM 1502 Views
I agree. - 17/08/2010 08:46:07 PM 1311 Views
you could be correct but it still shows a lack of sensitivity - 17/08/2010 09:34:46 PM 1505 Views
I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing - 17/08/2010 08:10:01 PM 1488 Views
Re: I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing *NM* - 17/08/2010 08:29:59 PM 594 Views
This. - 17/08/2010 08:31:17 PM 1382 Views
So, you're saying muslims should leave nyc to show their sensitivity, right? - 17/08/2010 10:31:55 PM 1308 Views
so your saying you always speak in over the top rhetoric? - 18/08/2010 03:22:20 PM 1200 Views
Well explain what the difference is, then - 18/08/2010 07:14:46 PM 1354 Views
not really sure how to start - 18/08/2010 08:23:34 PM 1404 Views
THANK YOU - 18/08/2010 01:13:16 AM 1438 Views
Take deep breaths.. - 18/08/2010 05:25:16 AM 1378 Views
Typing a post didn't really require all that much effort - 18/08/2010 06:13:15 AM 1431 Views
There are more important things in the world to worry about - 18/08/2010 08:51:35 AM 1410 Views
I do get angry over other things, you know - 18/08/2010 10:02:02 AM 1379 Views
Pretty much, yeah. - 18/08/2010 09:00:09 PM 1385 Views
: - 18/08/2010 02:52:51 PM 1511 Views
So what, the Americans supporting this mosque are "arrogant European pricks"? - 18/08/2010 10:12:51 AM 1233 Views
Kind of a stretch for you to make that assumption - 18/08/2010 11:31:16 AM 1430 Views
I hadn't read that other exchange yet, it made more sense after that. - 18/08/2010 12:35:18 PM 1463 Views
A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 - 18/08/2010 01:23:11 AM 1412 Views
Here comes the "xenophobia card." - 18/08/2010 01:27:50 AM 1472 Views
Which is why there was a bombing at another mosque earlier this year - 18/08/2010 01:31:51 AM 1355 Views
So? - 18/08/2010 01:39:49 AM 1439 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 - 18/08/2010 01:28:44 AM 1491 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 - 18/08/2010 01:34:22 AM 1438 Views
A guy on CNN made a really good point about this - 17/08/2010 08:46:54 PM 1483 Views
hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog - 17/08/2010 09:22:15 PM 1396 Views
Re: hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog - 17/08/2010 10:32:24 PM 1529 Views
precisely. - 17/08/2010 11:20:06 PM 1263 Views
Re: precisely. - 18/08/2010 01:32:09 AM 1387 Views
Re: precisely. - 18/08/2010 09:10:33 AM 1364 Views
not surprising that a guy on CNN made that point - 17/08/2010 09:38:16 PM 1463 Views
Yeah this whole debate is pretty pointless to be completely honest - 17/08/2010 10:28:13 PM 1417 Views
An interesting point - 18/08/2010 03:44:52 AM 1434 Views
In fairness, it's extremely hard to draw that line sometimes. - 18/08/2010 10:27:24 AM 1337 Views
well we have been shot at from enough mosque to make it hard to tell at times - 18/08/2010 08:25:58 PM 1410 Views
I think this whole debate has made American look bad. - 17/08/2010 10:58:23 PM 1323 Views
So what? - 18/08/2010 12:28:40 AM 1403 Views
Okay, so we're no longer the land of religous tolerance. - 18/08/2010 04:09:24 AM 1591 Views
Were we ever? - 18/08/2010 04:18:16 AM 1554 Views
I guess not. - 18/08/2010 04:25:03 AM 1505 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 05:56:49 AM 1380 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 10:43:05 AM 1358 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 12:13:37 PM 1199 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 09:30:21 PM 1312 Views
Yes, we were. - 18/08/2010 02:34:39 PM 1362 Views
Olberman's Special Comment on this one hits the nail on the head - 18/08/2010 01:29:45 AM 1463 Views
love that the Olberman video, but Jon Stewart did an awesome job too. *NM* - 18/08/2010 01:32:59 AM 616 Views
Olbermann and Stewart are possibly the two best people alive *NM* - 18/08/2010 02:39:48 AM 699 Views
they make the top of my list for people I wnat to catch an STD *NM* - 18/08/2010 08:27:27 PM 630 Views
Let me just say... - 18/08/2010 09:20:38 PM 1435 Views
Re: Let me just say... - 18/08/2010 09:22:12 PM 1402 Views
I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. *NM* - 18/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 666 Views
Re: I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. - 18/08/2010 10:45:54 PM 1426 Views
O'Reilly isn't as bad as he's made out to be. (edit) - 18/08/2010 11:10:33 PM 1447 Views
I'm pretty sure I agree with you. - 18/08/2010 10:48:09 PM 1317 Views
Why is it weird? - 18/08/2010 11:00:20 PM 1378 Views
dayum! thats like the ultimate insult *NM* - 19/08/2010 03:37:53 AM 610 Views
Stewart is great, but Olberman? You can't be serious. *NM* - 18/08/2010 11:23:17 PM 702 Views
I love that poem - 18/08/2010 12:26:58 PM 1494 Views
I used to be so Idealistic to think this was AMERICA. - 18/08/2010 01:44:38 AM 1464 Views
It is America - 18/08/2010 01:49:35 AM 1452 Views
the key phrase is "congress shall make no law...." - 18/08/2010 02:23:53 AM 1490 Views
14th ammendment changed that *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:51:08 AM 632 Views
14th ammendment established a state religion? - 18/08/2010 08:14:11 AM 1284 Views
No, but the Equal Protection Clause extended much of the BoR to the states. - 18/08/2010 02:50:31 PM 1419 Views
did you go the the Huffington Post school of law? - 18/08/2010 03:29:14 PM 1340 Views
No, but I've spent more time around lawyers than I care to admit. - 18/08/2010 03:45:36 PM 1440 Views
the defendent doesn't always get a complete picture *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:25:36 PM 644 Views
The only time I was ever in a courtroom was as a spectator. - 19/08/2010 04:33:56 PM 1425 Views
It was meant to be a short comment - 19/08/2010 01:13:39 AM 1461 Views
we also have freedom of speech - 18/08/2010 03:25:52 PM 1304 Views
The connection is inevitable and, I think, deliberate. - 18/08/2010 01:15:41 PM 1526 Views
Hmm - 18/08/2010 02:26:17 PM 1300 Views
Bottom line is it may be in everyones interest to DISassociate Islam from 911. - 18/08/2010 02:58:17 PM 1380 Views
No, bottom line is people need to be able to keep to thoughts in their brains at any given time *NM* - 18/08/2010 03:31:03 PM 627 Views
You mean retain both "I want to promote Islam" AND "Dude, Ground Zero is right THERE! *points*" - 18/08/2010 03:36:34 PM 1337 Views
No - 18/08/2010 03:43:08 PM 1397 Views
They clearly are tied to it. - 18/08/2010 03:59:45 PM 1414 Views
How long ago were the Crusades? - 18/08/2010 03:48:53 PM 1306 Views
Re: How long ago were the Crusades? - 18/08/2010 03:52:23 PM 1334 Views
So wait... - 18/08/2010 04:09:10 PM 1278 Views
Yes, Jerodam. Christians are good. All the rest are bad. I see it now. - 18/08/2010 04:10:47 PM 1365 Views
Stop freaking out Camilla. You are such a drama queen some times. - 18/08/2010 04:15:06 PM 1375 Views
That is not drama. That is fed up. *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:16:32 PM 727 Views
You're not the only one who is fed up.... - 18/08/2010 04:24:27 PM 1215 Views
*giggle* - 18/08/2010 04:29:03 PM 1379 Views
We don't know that.... - 18/08/2010 05:40:25 PM 1370 Views
We do - 18/08/2010 05:49:33 PM 1484 Views
Re: You're not the only one who is fed up.... - 18/08/2010 04:38:04 PM 1404 Views
This may be nitpicking, but I'll do it anyway because it's a widespread misconception... - 18/08/2010 04:30:20 PM 1325 Views
THANK YOU! - 18/08/2010 06:11:52 PM 1262 Views
Re: So wait... - 18/08/2010 04:45:53 PM 1337 Views
maybe it is actions that led to the crusades that never ended - 19/08/2010 12:25:20 PM 1259 Views
I have to agree with Jeo that that's unfair. - 19/08/2010 02:47:23 PM 1549 Views
The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way - 18/08/2010 04:04:54 PM 1348 Views
Depends whom you ask, when and where. - 19/08/2010 03:06:18 PM 1297 Views
Right - 20/08/2010 10:31:21 AM 1359 Views
Some people will always wonder about such things; we're still accused of "Crusading" today. - 18/08/2010 04:07:02 PM 1359 Views
I don't disagree about the outreach, as such, but a remark... - 18/08/2010 04:37:52 PM 1240 Views
It's as much a local issue as the theme park Disney wanted to build at Gettysburg. - 19/08/2010 03:15:03 PM 1268 Views
Have you ever BEEN to Gettysburg? - 19/08/2010 05:21:18 PM 1215 Views
A bit more background information - 18/08/2010 05:30:04 PM 1500 Views
That's informative, thanks, but I'm not sure it really changes anything. - 19/08/2010 03:27:05 PM 1292 Views
Step One: Manufacture controversey by means of misinformation (i.e. Mosque at Ground Zero) - 19/08/2010 06:40:49 PM 1486 Views
To be fair - 20/08/2010 10:38:01 AM 1433 Views
The location of this mosque is a horrid idea. - 21/08/2010 05:34:58 PM 1288 Views
"Think of it as a center for muslim hippies." - 18/08/2010 09:30:55 PM 1424 Views
Can I just say... - 19/08/2010 01:45:38 AM 1260 Views
i have a side bar *NM* - 19/08/2010 03:36:10 AM 556 Views
you must have a teeny screen or a bad resolution - 19/08/2010 05:03:57 AM 1342 Views
I know. - 19/08/2010 12:20:11 PM 1400 Views
Roughly 2 football fields, yes. And around a corner - 19/08/2010 03:17:24 PM 1365 Views
Two hundred yards is nothing. - 19/08/2010 04:44:34 PM 1303 Views
Sure it is - it's two large city blocks - 19/08/2010 05:15:46 PM 1365 Views
It's two fairly average city blocks, and not even that some places. - 21/08/2010 06:07:33 PM 1334 Views
Well you can not like it if you choose - 25/08/2010 03:39:49 PM 1737 Views
You keep stating that this isn't about Islam. - 20/08/2010 11:06:10 AM 1427 Views
That's because it's not. - 21/08/2010 06:17:29 PM 1436 Views

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