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It's as much a local issue as the theme park Disney wanted to build at Gettysburg. Joel Send a noteboard - 19/08/2010 03:15:03 PM
Even if everything is as represented (which, actually, I believe to be the case) I keep coming back to my belief that if they genuinely didn't expect this level of opposition they're too narrowly focused on Muslim (or Muslim-American) issues to lead any kind of proper community outreach. Maybe do some actual OUT REACH to people so you understand why they're so disgusted with this idea, and THEN we'll talk.

One aspect of this issue is simply the fundamental problem of an entire nation getting worked up over what is really a local matter (which happens a lot nowadays with the way the news media works). Those people want to build a community centre in Manhattan, they don't have the ambition to reach out to the entirety of the US or to start some conversation in the name of all of moderate Islam. Sure, they didn't do the reaching out in Manhattan properly either, but blaming them for not reaching out to the whole nation (somebody else did that too higher up in the thread), well, that's a bit silly. If they *had* properly reached out to the local community in Manhattan, I don't imagine the controversy in the rest of the country would have been much less, do you?

Rule of thumb: Once a sitting US President delivers a national address at a site, it ceases to be purely local. Sure, it still involves a locale, but that's about as far as that label is accurate. The WTC site is no longer an exclusively NYC landmark and memorial, any more than Gettysburg or Antietam belong solely to PA and MD, or the Arizona belongs solely to HI (in fact, it never belonged solely to HI, and I'm pretty sure the site where it sank is owned by the feds, too. ) It's not like the only people who died or lost family and friends on 911 were New Yorkers; hell, two of the hijackings didn't even HAPPEN there. To reduce it to a "local issue" raises the question of why the TV in the break room at my job in TX had nonstop coverage of 911 from the first plane hitting Tuesday morning through the end of the week. I mean, it was at the very start of football season; wasn't there a Longhorn game or some other more important LOCAL issue they could've been covering?

A LOT of people who've never been to NYC and never will were and remain affected by 911. I've never been east of Milwaukee, but I still need a passport to visit Canada or Mexico; didn't used to, but that was one of the many things 911 changed forever. It's a deep, painful and fairly fresh national scar, as the founders of this mosque clearly know well--which is why it makes it that much more unfathomable why they thought building a mosque on top of (or even next door, given their obvious desire for an association with 911) said scar was a good idea.
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Wait, wait WAIT! The location for the so-called "mosque at ground zero" is actually 2 blocks away?! - 17/08/2010 03:19:02 PM 2339 Views
it's still too close!! IT'S TOO CLOSE I SAY - 17/08/2010 03:23:12 PM 1327 Views
*NM* - 18/08/2010 11:40:26 AM 559 Views
Yes, it is. - 17/08/2010 03:23:33 PM 1321 Views
Another stupid question...is it even actually a mosque? - 17/08/2010 03:28:37 PM 1172 Views
I've heard the same. - 17/08/2010 03:30:36 PM 1105 Views
So - 17/08/2010 03:35:43 PM 1197 Views
blog link - 17/08/2010 03:41:43 PM 1196 Views
that's correct *NM* - 17/08/2010 03:51:38 PM 566 Views
it's both from what I've heard. - 17/08/2010 04:00:54 PM 1108 Views
sort of like most churches, mosques and temples? *NM* - 17/08/2010 04:04:12 PM 559 Views
mmm, i think more like... - 17/08/2010 04:08:55 PM 1068 Views
it is a community center with a mosque - 17/08/2010 04:28:08 PM 963 Views
A memorial! - 17/08/2010 04:58:52 PM 1178 Views
it is a community center with a mosque - 17/08/2010 04:28:09 PM 1145 Views
my wife's church has a play ground and community center - 17/08/2010 04:47:52 PM 1085 Views
okay, cool then - 17/08/2010 05:17:04 PM 980 Views
I was just being nit picky - 17/08/2010 05:44:36 PM 948 Views
Been hearing a lot on NPR - 17/08/2010 03:32:42 PM 1181 Views
I could see it being insensitive if it were actually where the towers used to be. - 17/08/2010 03:43:18 PM 1236 Views
Yeah. - 17/08/2010 03:51:13 PM 1139 Views
precisely. - 17/08/2010 04:02:44 PM 1052 Views
you should probably keep in mind.... - 17/08/2010 04:02:25 PM 1194 Views
So - 17/08/2010 04:06:18 PM 1248 Views
don't use that term at all. Say WTC. *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:27:32 AM 572 Views
I know. - 17/08/2010 04:26:19 PM 1121 Views
it certainly has turned into a political land mine for Obama... - 17/08/2010 03:54:03 PM 1120 Views
True - 17/08/2010 04:02:04 PM 947 Views
unfortunately... - 17/08/2010 04:05:08 PM 1063 Views
That's because they are pussies. - 17/08/2010 04:10:59 PM 1205 Views
This is beginning to sound familiar. - 17/08/2010 05:18:37 PM 1280 Views
with the senate majority leader weighing it I don't believe it is all how it is mostly on the right - 17/08/2010 05:58:10 PM 1178 Views
Seems we disagree on that, then. - 17/08/2010 06:05:33 PM 1159 Views
hardly the first time - 17/08/2010 06:56:33 PM 1134 Views
Well, since day 1 of this whole debate alot of the opposition has come from the right. - 17/08/2010 10:50:49 PM 1120 Views
you assume it is pandering maybe they just agree with the majority - 18/08/2010 02:30:53 AM 1108 Views
I'm not saying it's a partisan issue, but it has turned political for all the wrong reasons. - 18/08/2010 04:18:49 AM 1220 Views
is the idea that it is not to close to ground zero the misinformation you are refering to? - 18/08/2010 03:09:17 PM 1068 Views
Well, it's not like they're literally on ground zero. - 18/08/2010 08:54:08 PM 1201 Views
ground zero is defined as where the old WTC complex was - 19/08/2010 12:23:32 PM 1091 Views
And anything within a 3 block radius apparently? - 20/08/2010 04:44:25 AM 1116 Views
Guess which of them will be out of a job in January? - 18/08/2010 01:22:49 PM 1097 Views
the only reason Obama won't be out of job is he isn't running - 18/08/2010 03:10:58 PM 1069 Views
Oh, I dunno if you could translate the current numbers into Obamas defeat. - 18/08/2010 03:52:18 PM 1160 Views
Bush's numbers were much better in 04 then Obama's are now - 18/08/2010 04:11:31 PM 1167 Views
Perhaps so then. - 19/08/2010 04:51:36 PM 1086 Views
it was a large event so two half blocks really is pretty damn close - 17/08/2010 04:03:17 PM 1201 Views
Here's a map of the site for perspective - 17/08/2010 04:08:41 PM 1217 Views
so 2 blocks from the superblock then? - 17/08/2010 04:13:03 PM 1220 Views
I guess, superblock is an obscure term to this country lad - 17/08/2010 04:41:11 PM 1099 Views
It may not necessarily matter to people who are aware of that fact. - 17/08/2010 05:13:12 PM 1071 Views
mk, well, to my mind (being from phoeni, 1 full city block is about 1 mile. - 17/08/2010 05:15:49 PM 1139 Views
A mile is a serious exaggeration, surely. - 17/08/2010 05:24:48 PM 1237 Views
Remember, I did say in Phoenix - 17/08/2010 05:27:43 PM 1131 Views
I really need to see Phoenix some day. - 17/08/2010 05:32:40 PM 1172 Views
i still think houston is more spread out than phoenix - 18/08/2010 08:21:10 AM 1169 Views
unless you go far enough west of course - 18/08/2010 03:30:45 PM 1030 Views
most of california is pretty spread out, city-wise. - 19/08/2010 02:16:44 AM 994 Views
true, I was think along the lines of San Fransico - 19/08/2010 03:47:12 AM 1078 Views
Absolutely. - 17/08/2010 05:28:38 PM 1128 Views
In NYC, generally 1 mile = 20 blocks *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:25:21 PM 617 Views
Okay. I guess i just forget how much larger Phoenix is *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:28:13 PM 500 Views
Google Earth says 500 feet between mosque and GZ *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:30:59 PM 517 Views
Clarify: 500 ft between the mosque and the border of the area on the map? *NM* - 17/08/2010 07:03:51 PM 535 Views
Probably, given my corner-to-corner result. *NM* - 17/08/2010 07:26:19 PM 541 Views
Yes, down West Broadway (contains old ground view from site) - 17/08/2010 07:31:58 PM 1246 Views
Personally, I think this supports Ave's point. - 17/08/2010 04:16:15 PM 1178 Views
yes... - 17/08/2010 04:29:51 PM 1190 Views
Right. - 17/08/2010 04:31:29 PM 1142 Views
Believe me, honey. - 17/08/2010 04:32:47 PM 990 Views
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You know what else is on Park Place? A strip club. - 17/08/2010 11:58:56 PM 1045 Views
Really? I had no idea - 18/08/2010 12:06:27 AM 1123 Views
Re: Really? I had no idea - 18/08/2010 12:24:54 AM 1178 Views
Hmm... - 18/08/2010 01:23:14 AM 1126 Views
I didn't even know I was responding to you. - 18/08/2010 04:08:36 AM 1097 Views
Thanks - 18/08/2010 04:23:47 AM 1080 Views
It happens...? - 18/08/2010 01:29:44 PM 907 Views
knowing there's a strip club and "walking those streets"; seems like you've "gotten around" - 18/08/2010 02:03:14 AM 1104 Views
*NM* - 18/08/2010 04:10:10 AM 534 Views
They're building on the hallowed ground of a Burlington Coat Factory! - 17/08/2010 04:13:06 PM 1184 Views
how so? - 17/08/2010 04:14:17 PM 1006 Views
Maybe it's got something to do with Cordoba, Spain? - 17/08/2010 04:16:38 PM 1018 Views
From when the Moors conquered Spain - 17/08/2010 04:18:18 PM 1230 Views
ah mk. fair enough then. *NM* - 17/08/2010 04:35:39 PM 654 Views
to clarify though - 17/08/2010 04:50:19 PM 1034 Views
in that respect, I rather like the name *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:23:18 PM 578 Views
Yes, but you have to remember the mindset of those protesting. - 17/08/2010 09:49:26 PM 1129 Views
Oh indeed - 18/08/2010 10:20:45 AM 1144 Views
Oh, yeah. I foolishly assumed people would know that part. *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:34:39 PM 541 Views
Sorry, but the card says it was "the Moops" so you must be wrong. - 18/08/2010 03:56:11 PM 1098 Views
Aaaaaaaaagh - 18/08/2010 04:13:17 PM 1056 Views
*NM* - 18/08/2010 05:31:20 PM 524 Views
Or a Christian conquest of Islam, surely. - 17/08/2010 05:07:53 PM 1192 Views
Right on the button. *NM* - 17/08/2010 04:19:39 PM 549 Views
Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... - 17/08/2010 04:33:31 PM 999 Views
Re: Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... - 17/08/2010 04:34:47 PM 1051 Views
it was a rhetorical question in his column - 17/08/2010 04:43:25 PM 1157 Views
that is hardly the same thing - 17/08/2010 04:56:43 PM 1100 Views
so suppose... - 17/08/2010 06:06:03 PM 1047 Views
I am sure it will I just don't see the relevance - 17/08/2010 06:57:41 PM 1156 Views
My question is, why would you want to put a mosque/community center/thing that close? - 17/08/2010 04:39:05 PM 1089 Views
angry New Yorkers? - 17/08/2010 04:45:01 PM 1188 Views
I was going to guess 4 protests to your earlier post. - 17/08/2010 04:50:08 PM 1136 Views
Re: angry New Yorkers? - 17/08/2010 04:53:58 PM 1076 Views
I was wondering about that. - 17/08/2010 04:56:28 PM 1170 Views
Re: I was wondering about that. - 17/08/2010 05:05:50 PM 1127 Views
interesting map, thanks for posting it. *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:55:06 PM 573 Views
That's a good point too and I didn't think about that. - 17/08/2010 05:39:53 PM 1263 Views
I think what this position misses - 17/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 1289 Views
Ok, sure. - 17/08/2010 06:09:33 PM 1190 Views
Hoboken? - 17/08/2010 09:06:07 PM 998 Views
Indeed. Not a serious suggestion about putting it there. - 17/08/2010 09:13:35 PM 999 Views
angry New Yorkers? Geez, we are more civilized than that, thank you. *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:01:12 AM 512 Views
not really *NM* - 18/08/2010 02:31:46 AM 437 Views
your opinion is noted. now go eff yourself. *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:11:25 AM 476 Views
that's pretty good - 18/08/2010 04:44:14 AM 1064 Views
and a heart fuck off to you but thanks for the ironic reply *NM* - 18/08/2010 03:18:25 PM 502 Views
How is it ironic? *NM* - 18/08/2010 03:43:50 PM 537 Views
How was his uncivilized response ironic? *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:18:17 PM 490 Views
Yes. Where is the irony? - 18/08/2010 04:20:57 PM 1024 Views
Re: How was his uncivilized response ironic? - 18/08/2010 04:23:25 PM 1029 Views
Aaah - 18/08/2010 04:31:02 PM 1079 Views
Re: Aaah - 18/08/2010 05:30:07 PM 1035 Views
Re: Aaah - 18/08/2010 05:38:47 PM 1130 Views
To both of you: her. And she. *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:44:03 PM 521 Views
I knew that. *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:45:21 PM 504 Views
I'm not a New Yorker. Not impuning your civility either. - 19/08/2010 02:45:55 AM 1264 Views
Something I'm confused on - 17/08/2010 04:59:41 PM 1345 Views
another thing to consider. - 17/08/2010 05:02:38 PM 1028 Views
You'll have to explain to me what that has to do with what I said - 17/08/2010 05:10:21 PM 1057 Views
I don't think anyone is saying it's not "near" ground zero. - 17/08/2010 05:12:52 PM 1163 Views
Of course you're confused. It was a tangental thought. - 17/08/2010 06:06:29 PM 1105 Views
On that tangent though, an interesting article - 17/08/2010 07:50:44 PM 1133 Views
I understand there's also a strip club and a xxx movie rental shop within that same 2 blocks radius. - 17/08/2010 05:09:26 PM 1110 Views
Looks like 2 or 3 blocks, I love Google Earth - 17/08/2010 05:17:01 PM 1164 Views
True but the buildings were not nocked down by radical strippers *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:52:04 PM 527 Views
Joss Whedon purchased the rights to this movie already. *NM* - 17/08/2010 06:29:34 PM 578 Views
*NM* - 17/08/2010 06:38:27 PM 513 Views
Yep. Is true. *NM* - 17/08/2010 11:59:31 PM 532 Views
What do strip clubs and dirty movies and gay bars have to do with 9/11? *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:33:59 AM 545 Views
Nothing, which is precisely the point. *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:37:52 AM 546 Views
Can you explain your point to me then? Because I'm not following it. - 18/08/2010 01:21:13 AM 1069 Views
Pretty much what Greg said. - 18/08/2010 09:39:33 AM 1123 Views
then you are missing the point - 18/08/2010 04:02:49 PM 1200 Views
In all fairness... - 18/08/2010 09:46:26 PM 1119 Views
these guys are not babes in the woods - 19/08/2010 12:28:24 PM 997 Views
I never said they were. - 20/08/2010 04:56:53 AM 1132 Views
Respond/Double post. *NM* - 20/08/2010 04:57:25 AM 472 Views
This whole debate disgusts me. - 17/08/2010 05:24:56 PM 1288 Views
I'm not going to ask why. *NM* - 17/08/2010 06:21:13 PM 508 Views
Agreed - 17/08/2010 08:10:34 PM 1232 Views
Yep, I see a lot of ugliness in this discussion - 18/08/2010 11:42:34 AM 1073 Views
Jon Stewart made good point last night - 17/08/2010 05:34:19 PM 1167 Views
but it's the CONCEPT!!! practical effect is not the POINT of political debate!! *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:53:30 PM 527 Views
which is why Obama was crazy to get anywhere this issue - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1013 Views
He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't - 17/08/2010 06:18:16 PM 1049 Views
that really isn't true - 17/08/2010 07:09:29 PM 1132 Views
yah he really should have just stayed mum about it - 17/08/2010 07:37:03 PM 1105 Views
Ye gods, I agree with you AND CELIA! - 18/08/2010 01:36:21 PM 1252 Views
double post - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1079 Views
Hatemongers gotta hate. - 17/08/2010 07:43:17 PM 1110 Views
More than anything, I see this being a sensitivity issue.... - 17/08/2010 07:43:45 PM 1075 Views
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Right on. - 17/08/2010 08:09:44 PM 1035 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. - 17/08/2010 08:12:20 PM 830 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. - 17/08/2010 08:12:21 PM 1106 Views
are you serious? - 17/08/2010 08:01:01 PM 1180 Views
I think you got the point right there. - 17/08/2010 08:08:21 PM 1077 Views
Yes, I am... - 17/08/2010 08:14:27 PM 1076 Views
The point is your analogy does not hold - 17/08/2010 08:19:29 PM 1074 Views
Plus - 17/08/2010 08:26:36 PM 1133 Views
Yes. That. *NM* - 17/08/2010 08:28:14 PM 1003 Views
we should all learn pool saftey from pigeons and sparrows. - 17/08/2010 08:37:37 PM 1017 Views
Sicko! - 17/08/2010 08:48:05 PM 1063 Views
Re: Yes, I am... - 17/08/2010 08:42:27 PM 1135 Views
Just to be a pain in the... - 17/08/2010 09:10:11 PM 1103 Views
Aren't they? - 17/08/2010 09:19:58 PM 1159 Views
You may be interested in... - 17/08/2010 09:23:48 PM 1242 Views
*nods* So I was right.... - 17/08/2010 09:26:59 PM 968 Views
actually, it depends on the extent of the burning. - 17/08/2010 11:01:11 PM 1040 Views
That is probably not fair - 17/08/2010 11:12:22 PM 1096 Views
I know! - 18/08/2010 03:06:25 AM 1098 Views
it's all relative. - 18/08/2010 03:33:35 AM 1179 Views
Using a touch of hyperbole, perhaps? - 18/08/2010 10:18:36 AM 1079 Views
I'm so proud of you for noticing! - 18/08/2010 10:48:14 AM 1151 Views
Just making sure you knew I wasn't mistaking your reply for a constructive one - 18/08/2010 12:08:41 PM 1048 Views
I give constuctive replies where they are due - 18/08/2010 12:30:42 PM 1132 Views
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Hey Snoop... - 18/08/2010 12:47:13 PM 1146 Views
What the hell were these people smoking? - 18/08/2010 02:14:44 PM 1262 Views
COMPLETELY unrelated point that I don't blame you for ignoring... - 19/08/2010 04:25:31 AM 1033 Views
And yet that's very close to what MADD and SADD do. - 18/08/2010 01:56:51 PM 1228 Views
you are right of course - 17/08/2010 08:22:23 PM 1047 Views
Re: you are right of course - 17/08/2010 08:34:31 PM 1199 Views
I agree. - 17/08/2010 08:46:07 PM 1011 Views
you could be correct but it still shows a lack of sensitivity - 17/08/2010 09:34:46 PM 1224 Views
I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing - 17/08/2010 08:10:01 PM 1177 Views
Re: I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing *NM* - 17/08/2010 08:29:59 PM 481 Views
This. - 17/08/2010 08:31:17 PM 1112 Views
So, you're saying muslims should leave nyc to show their sensitivity, right? - 17/08/2010 10:31:55 PM 1025 Views
so your saying you always speak in over the top rhetoric? - 18/08/2010 03:22:20 PM 934 Views
Well explain what the difference is, then - 18/08/2010 07:14:46 PM 1054 Views
not really sure how to start - 18/08/2010 08:23:34 PM 1103 Views
THANK YOU - 18/08/2010 01:13:16 AM 1159 Views
Take deep breaths.. - 18/08/2010 05:25:16 AM 1037 Views
Typing a post didn't really require all that much effort - 18/08/2010 06:13:15 AM 1159 Views
There are more important things in the world to worry about - 18/08/2010 08:51:35 AM 1136 Views
I do get angry over other things, you know - 18/08/2010 10:02:02 AM 1124 Views
Pretty much, yeah. - 18/08/2010 09:00:09 PM 1079 Views
: - 18/08/2010 02:52:51 PM 1213 Views
So what, the Americans supporting this mosque are "arrogant European pricks"? - 18/08/2010 10:12:51 AM 955 Views
Kind of a stretch for you to make that assumption - 18/08/2010 11:31:16 AM 1118 Views
I hadn't read that other exchange yet, it made more sense after that. - 18/08/2010 12:35:18 PM 1151 Views
A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 - 18/08/2010 01:23:11 AM 1158 Views
Here comes the "xenophobia card." - 18/08/2010 01:27:50 AM 1152 Views
Which is why there was a bombing at another mosque earlier this year - 18/08/2010 01:31:51 AM 1082 Views
So? - 18/08/2010 01:39:49 AM 1193 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 - 18/08/2010 01:28:44 AM 1190 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 - 18/08/2010 01:34:22 AM 1192 Views
A guy on CNN made a really good point about this - 17/08/2010 08:46:54 PM 1193 Views
hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog - 17/08/2010 09:22:15 PM 1101 Views
Re: hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog - 17/08/2010 10:32:24 PM 1255 Views
precisely. - 17/08/2010 11:20:06 PM 996 Views
Re: precisely. - 18/08/2010 01:32:09 AM 1091 Views
Re: precisely. - 18/08/2010 09:10:33 AM 1110 Views
not surprising that a guy on CNN made that point - 17/08/2010 09:38:16 PM 1199 Views
Yeah this whole debate is pretty pointless to be completely honest - 17/08/2010 10:28:13 PM 1141 Views
An interesting point - 18/08/2010 03:44:52 AM 1130 Views
In fairness, it's extremely hard to draw that line sometimes. - 18/08/2010 10:27:24 AM 1086 Views
well we have been shot at from enough mosque to make it hard to tell at times - 18/08/2010 08:25:58 PM 1117 Views
I think this whole debate has made American look bad. - 17/08/2010 10:58:23 PM 1070 Views
So what? - 18/08/2010 12:28:40 AM 1118 Views
Okay, so we're no longer the land of religous tolerance. - 18/08/2010 04:09:24 AM 1273 Views
Were we ever? - 18/08/2010 04:18:16 AM 1267 Views
I guess not. - 18/08/2010 04:25:03 AM 1217 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 05:56:49 AM 1109 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 10:43:05 AM 1093 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 12:13:37 PM 955 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 09:30:21 PM 1025 Views
Yes, we were. - 18/08/2010 02:34:39 PM 1084 Views
Olberman's Special Comment on this one hits the nail on the head - 18/08/2010 01:29:45 AM 1133 Views
love that the Olberman video, but Jon Stewart did an awesome job too. *NM* - 18/08/2010 01:32:59 AM 467 Views
Olbermann and Stewart are possibly the two best people alive *NM* - 18/08/2010 02:39:48 AM 569 Views
they make the top of my list for people I wnat to catch an STD *NM* - 18/08/2010 08:27:27 PM 503 Views
Let me just say... - 18/08/2010 09:20:38 PM 1103 Views
Re: Let me just say... - 18/08/2010 09:22:12 PM 1096 Views
I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. *NM* - 18/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 537 Views
Re: I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. - 18/08/2010 10:45:54 PM 1120 Views
O'Reilly isn't as bad as he's made out to be. (edit) - 18/08/2010 11:10:33 PM 1128 Views
I'm pretty sure I agree with you. - 18/08/2010 10:48:09 PM 1032 Views
Why is it weird? - 18/08/2010 11:00:20 PM 1110 Views
dayum! thats like the ultimate insult *NM* - 19/08/2010 03:37:53 AM 485 Views
Stewart is great, but Olberman? You can't be serious. *NM* - 18/08/2010 11:23:17 PM 574 Views
I love that poem - 18/08/2010 12:26:58 PM 1239 Views
I used to be so Idealistic to think this was AMERICA. - 18/08/2010 01:44:38 AM 1181 Views
It is America - 18/08/2010 01:49:35 AM 1180 Views
the key phrase is "congress shall make no law...." - 18/08/2010 02:23:53 AM 1205 Views
14th ammendment changed that *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:51:08 AM 504 Views
14th ammendment established a state religion? - 18/08/2010 08:14:11 AM 1026 Views
No, but the Equal Protection Clause extended much of the BoR to the states. - 18/08/2010 02:50:31 PM 1121 Views
did you go the the Huffington Post school of law? - 18/08/2010 03:29:14 PM 1048 Views
No, but I've spent more time around lawyers than I care to admit. - 18/08/2010 03:45:36 PM 1151 Views
the defendent doesn't always get a complete picture *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:25:36 PM 508 Views
The only time I was ever in a courtroom was as a spectator. - 19/08/2010 04:33:56 PM 1129 Views
It was meant to be a short comment - 19/08/2010 01:13:39 AM 1144 Views
we also have freedom of speech - 18/08/2010 03:25:52 PM 1021 Views
The connection is inevitable and, I think, deliberate. - 18/08/2010 01:15:41 PM 1179 Views
Hmm - 18/08/2010 02:26:17 PM 1037 Views
Bottom line is it may be in everyones interest to DISassociate Islam from 911. - 18/08/2010 02:58:17 PM 1091 Views
No, bottom line is people need to be able to keep to thoughts in their brains at any given time *NM* - 18/08/2010 03:31:03 PM 499 Views
You mean retain both "I want to promote Islam" AND "Dude, Ground Zero is right THERE! *points*" - 18/08/2010 03:36:34 PM 1049 Views
No - 18/08/2010 03:43:08 PM 1112 Views
They clearly are tied to it. - 18/08/2010 03:59:45 PM 1135 Views
How long ago were the Crusades? - 18/08/2010 03:48:53 PM 1037 Views
Re: How long ago were the Crusades? - 18/08/2010 03:52:23 PM 1069 Views
So wait... - 18/08/2010 04:09:10 PM 1007 Views
Yes, Jerodam. Christians are good. All the rest are bad. I see it now. - 18/08/2010 04:10:47 PM 1086 Views
Stop freaking out Camilla. You are such a drama queen some times. - 18/08/2010 04:15:06 PM 1041 Views
That is not drama. That is fed up. *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:16:32 PM 568 Views
You're not the only one who is fed up.... - 18/08/2010 04:24:27 PM 931 Views
*giggle* - 18/08/2010 04:29:03 PM 1092 Views
We don't know that.... - 18/08/2010 05:40:25 PM 1091 Views
We do - 18/08/2010 05:49:33 PM 1200 Views
Re: You're not the only one who is fed up.... - 18/08/2010 04:38:04 PM 1101 Views
This may be nitpicking, but I'll do it anyway because it's a widespread misconception... - 18/08/2010 04:30:20 PM 1056 Views
THANK YOU! - 18/08/2010 06:11:52 PM 997 Views
Re: So wait... - 18/08/2010 04:45:53 PM 993 Views
maybe it is actions that led to the crusades that never ended - 19/08/2010 12:25:20 PM 935 Views
I have to agree with Jeo that that's unfair. - 19/08/2010 02:47:23 PM 1263 Views
The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way - 18/08/2010 04:04:54 PM 1069 Views
Depends whom you ask, when and where. - 19/08/2010 03:06:18 PM 1017 Views
Right - 20/08/2010 10:31:21 AM 1105 Views
Some people will always wonder about such things; we're still accused of "Crusading" today. - 18/08/2010 04:07:02 PM 1066 Views
I don't disagree about the outreach, as such, but a remark... - 18/08/2010 04:37:52 PM 951 Views
It's as much a local issue as the theme park Disney wanted to build at Gettysburg. - 19/08/2010 03:15:03 PM 1002 Views
Have you ever BEEN to Gettysburg? - 19/08/2010 05:21:18 PM 940 Views
A bit more background information - 18/08/2010 05:30:04 PM 1224 Views
That's informative, thanks, but I'm not sure it really changes anything. - 19/08/2010 03:27:05 PM 1000 Views
Step One: Manufacture controversey by means of misinformation (i.e. Mosque at Ground Zero) - 19/08/2010 06:40:49 PM 1202 Views
To be fair - 20/08/2010 10:38:01 AM 1147 Views
The location of this mosque is a horrid idea. - 21/08/2010 05:34:58 PM 990 Views
"Think of it as a center for muslim hippies." - 18/08/2010 09:30:55 PM 1092 Views
Can I just say... - 19/08/2010 01:45:38 AM 1005 Views
i have a side bar *NM* - 19/08/2010 03:36:10 AM 427 Views
you must have a teeny screen or a bad resolution - 19/08/2010 05:03:57 AM 1056 Views
I know. - 19/08/2010 12:20:11 PM 1090 Views
Roughly 2 football fields, yes. And around a corner - 19/08/2010 03:17:24 PM 1075 Views
Two hundred yards is nothing. - 19/08/2010 04:44:34 PM 1046 Views
Sure it is - it's two large city blocks - 19/08/2010 05:15:46 PM 1096 Views
It's two fairly average city blocks, and not even that some places. - 21/08/2010 06:07:33 PM 1036 Views
Well you can not like it if you choose - 25/08/2010 03:39:49 PM 1464 Views
You keep stating that this isn't about Islam. - 20/08/2010 11:06:10 AM 1122 Views
That's because it's not. - 21/08/2010 06:17:29 PM 1167 Views

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