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Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM
And maybe that highlights the fact Obamas deficiencies aren't our only problem. He goes out and asserts the freedom of all Americans to worship as they please (a freedom he's legally obligated to defend) including by building this mosque, but never endorses it, so the right attacks him as soft on terrorism. Then he goes out and explicitly states that he wasn't giving his blessing or stating his personal opinion, only reiterating his responsibility as President, and so he's attacked from the left for being cowardly. In other words, BOTH sides have criticized two paraphrases of the same statement simply because each chose at different times to attach different meanings to those statements, meanings that go far beyond what the statements actually proclaim.

I find it particularly interesting since I don't have time these days to follow every single political speech, but, on the subject of his first statement, just the other day on this board I said pretty much the same thing he did in his second statement. It was really easy for me to understand the statement as he meant it: I just had to read what he SAID, instead of what I THOUGHT he said or WISHED he'd said. There is a school of thought that says he's still trying to keep his private opinion of the mosque to himself--but y'know what? He has the right to do that so long as he continues to uphold the law in his public capacity.

He never should have opened his mouth on the matter; the only thing that could result is exactly what's happened. He wasn't going to magically science the critics or convince the builders that MAYBE a different site would better serve their ecumenical and multicultural goals. But regardless of the wisdom of commenting, the comments he's made--both of them--seem perfectly fine to me.
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1484 Views
wow, that was an interesting read - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 853 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 697 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 991 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 828 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 1000 Views
I'm aware of that - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 724 Views
Re: I'm aware of that - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 1009 Views
Re: I'm aware of that - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 871 Views
Re: I'm aware of that - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 753 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 806 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1134 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 781 Views
Me too *NM* - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 490 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 948 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 396 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 765 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 1004 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 892 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 960 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1132 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 980 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 826 Views
It does - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 740 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 868 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 716 Views
maybe - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 965 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 743 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 355 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1025 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1043 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 998 Views
*NM* - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 395 Views
did you take into your consideration - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 739 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 935 Views
that would be - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1025 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 857 Views
I agree he is not backtracking - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 843 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 915 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 770 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 920 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 793 Views
nope just human *NM* - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 422 Views
that's not what Paul just said. - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 857 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 894 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 911 Views
key word: seem - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 833 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 732 Views
good thing - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1131 Views
he could have and should have stayed out - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 869 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1291 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 951 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 478 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 866 Views
Joel - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1046 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 448 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 963 Views
nonsense - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 908 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 882 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 892 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 867 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 698 Views
lol.<3 - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 874 Views
that it is... - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 871 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 971 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 902 Views
On the off chance that this: - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1064 Views
I do remember your reply... - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1294 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1358 Views
that was a decent explanation.... - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 811 Views
Thanks. - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 870 Views
I do feel bad for them - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 766 Views
Re: Joel - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 910 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 549 Views

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