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While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas Send a noteboard - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM
People keep talking about what he said in point A and point B but unless I missed a transcript somewhere (which is possible) he took a stance on point A and gave a no comment on point B. I think part of the confusion is from people assuming he has taken position that he has not.

He doesn't take an explicit position in either speech, of course, but his first comment sounded quite positive towards the whole thing - sure, he hedged it by mentioning the sensitivity of the issue, but then he always hedges - whereas the second still doesn't take an explicit position on whether he finds them insensitive or not, but implies that he does. And from someone with his rhetoric talents, we can safely assume those messages weren't incidental, particularly considering the political sensitivity of the issue.
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... damookster - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1540 Views
She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 935 Views
DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Tom - 20/08/2010 12:50:14 AM 799 Views
Re: DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:56:44 AM 1068 Views
Once again, listen to the Economist and don't use abbreviations that aren't obvious. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:38:08 PM 828 Views
That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 866 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 781 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 504 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 938 Views
My vote goes to Dwarf peyote wigwam. *NM* mapthis - 20/08/2010 12:56:46 AM 592 Views
Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 492 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 888 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 901 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 748 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? Joel - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 1046 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 900 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising Isaac - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 1043 Views
I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 774 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 1052 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 915 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 808 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 855 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1187 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 824 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 837 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 508 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 848 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 1000 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 413 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 822 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 1054 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 940 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 1015 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1191 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 1032 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 873 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 790 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 919 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 763 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 1006 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 1029 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 785 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 382 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1090 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1105 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 1041 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 412 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 787 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 975 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1069 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 922 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 887 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 963 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 814 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 966 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 832 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 442 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 901 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 967 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 956 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 885 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 772 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1174 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 517 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 790 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 914 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1348 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 993 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 506 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 913 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1097 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 470 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 1008 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 956 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 927 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 936 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 914 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 742 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 921 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 930 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 679 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 1013 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 944 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1211 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1115 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1352 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1399 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 851 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 929 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 821 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 962 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 565 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1157 Views
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