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While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas Send a noteboard - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM
People keep talking about what he said in point A and point B but unless I missed a transcript somewhere (which is possible) he took a stance on point A and gave a no comment on point B. I think part of the confusion is from people assuming he has taken position that he has not.

He doesn't take an explicit position in either speech, of course, but his first comment sounded quite positive towards the whole thing - sure, he hedged it by mentioning the sensitivity of the issue, but then he always hedges - whereas the second still doesn't take an explicit position on whether he finds them insensitive or not, but implies that he does. And from someone with his rhetoric talents, we can safely assume those messages weren't incidental, particularly considering the political sensitivity of the issue.
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... damookster - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1603 Views
She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 996 Views
DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Tom - 20/08/2010 12:50:14 AM 851 Views
Re: DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:56:44 AM 1131 Views
Once again, listen to the Economist and don't use abbreviations that aren't obvious. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:38:08 PM 892 Views
That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 923 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 843 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 536 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 1001 Views
My vote goes to Dwarf peyote wigwam. *NM* mapthis - 20/08/2010 12:56:46 AM 623 Views
Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 526 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 964 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 965 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 805 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? Joel - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 1112 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 958 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising Isaac - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 1105 Views
I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 831 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 1108 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 970 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 868 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 907 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1247 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 877 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 896 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 538 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 954 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 1066 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 445 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 887 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 1103 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 1003 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 1076 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1253 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 1094 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 925 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 844 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 979 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 826 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 1068 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 1085 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 846 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 412 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1153 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1158 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 1107 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 444 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 845 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 1036 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1130 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 1004 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 942 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 1019 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 874 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 1030 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 894 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 471 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 967 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 1032 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 1017 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 946 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 831 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1233 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 548 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 850 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 967 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1412 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 1057 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 539 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 967 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1152 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 501 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 1073 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 1015 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 983 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 1000 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 977 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 807 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 980 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 992 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 716 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 1071 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 999 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1268 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1178 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1443 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1453 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 912 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 989 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 886 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 1051 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 598 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1222 Views
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