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I disagree Сталин Send a noteboard - 11/09/2009 04:09:50 PM
The point of competitive sports is to allow people to show that their talent, their drive and their spirit can conquer adversity. To allow Semenya to keep the gold medal does a disservice to every woman who participated in that event.

Semenya is a hermaphrodite, not a woman. If we are simply talking about social interaction and gender identity, Semenya can choose a gender and stay with it. If Semenya wants to identify as a woman, then "she" is free to do so regardless of biology. She can have further surgery if she feels it necessary.

However, we aren't talking about simple matters of gender identity. We are talking about (1) a birth condition that her parents were likely aware of, (2) a physiological advantage that is a disqualifying factor by the rules of the competition and (3) at least an inference that someone, somewhere knew or should have known that this might have been a factor yet chose to conceal it.

You can also write that as "Stalin" *MySmiley*
This message last edited by Сталин on 11/09/2009 at 04:10:35 PM
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Caster Semenya has male sex organs and no womb or ovaries - 11/09/2009 12:24:30 PM 1522 Views
I think revoking the championship and a ban at this point would be plain wrong - 11/09/2009 02:01:15 PM 843 Views
Well said. - 11/09/2009 02:10:31 PM 830 Views
agreed. *NM* - 11/09/2009 02:36:06 PM 421 Views
I agree. *NM* - 11/09/2009 03:20:05 PM 408 Views
I agree it's not her fault, but she shouldn't keep her championship. - 11/09/2009 03:50:06 PM 806 Views
Possibly a quibble, but just trying to clarify... - 11/09/2009 05:15:52 PM 908 Views
It makes sense - 13/09/2009 05:04:23 PM 855 Views
I disagree - 11/09/2009 04:09:50 PM 1177 Views
As bad as if feel for the athlete, I agree. *NM* - 11/09/2009 04:46:57 PM 390 Views
To the extent that LadyLorraine means "at this point", I do agree with her... - 11/09/2009 05:03:34 PM 902 Views
Sounds like she/he is more dude than chick..... - 11/09/2009 02:42:33 PM 904 Views
not really. it only takes ONE mistake to cause her problems. - 12/09/2009 03:19:06 AM 839 Views
It's not that simple with DNA either. - 12/09/2009 10:38:28 AM 930 Views
no it's not as simple as "XX" and "XY" - 12/09/2009 03:02:03 PM 860 Views
I think it is a sad story - 11/09/2009 04:34:29 PM 908 Views
I agree. - 11/09/2009 09:20:35 PM 952 Views
I like I said, tragic - 11/09/2009 09:34:57 PM 797 Views
I can't believe this whole thing is public - 11/09/2009 07:03:59 PM 933 Views
That's a good idea! - 11/09/2009 07:17:20 PM 847 Views
Yeah, seems fair. Medal, no record. - 11/09/2009 07:57:38 PM 785 Views
How could she not know something was different? Not developing a period would be a major sign. *NM* - 11/09/2009 09:21:54 PM 387 Views
Not necessarily, depending on the rigors of her athletic training. *NM* - 11/09/2009 09:26:32 PM 362 Views
When do most girls get their first period? Around 12 or 13? - 12/09/2009 07:34:23 AM 765 Views
Yes, but 14 or 15 isn't out of the ordinary *NM* - 12/09/2009 11:23:09 AM 384 Views
I didn't start until I was 17 *NM* - 12/09/2009 03:02:28 PM 364 Views
That is a bit unusual. *shrugs* *NM* - 13/09/2009 01:17:18 AM 391 Views
starting THAT late is, yes - 13/09/2009 04:24:44 AM 1020 Views
There are plenty of runners who do hard training that keeps them from getting a regular period - 11/09/2009 09:29:24 PM 866 Views
I'd say so too. Periods have a lot to do with % body fat. - 12/09/2009 12:28:46 AM 946 Views
Not at the age when a girl first develops her period. - 12/09/2009 07:36:24 AM 842 Views
You have an odd understanding of what's normal... - 12/09/2009 02:51:37 PM 856 Views
And you are still missing the point. - 13/09/2009 01:18:54 AM 792 Views
And you're missing the point - 13/09/2009 01:39:46 AM 825 Views
What Sareitha said. - 13/09/2009 03:50:05 AM 976 Views
people develop 30lb tumors and never go to get them checked out - 11/09/2009 09:36:18 PM 885 Views
Well, now that you put it that way I guess I could see that. *NM* - 12/09/2009 07:37:18 AM 365 Views
Not that rare in athletes. - 12/09/2009 01:06:27 AM 787 Views
like i said in my first post - 12/09/2009 03:25:04 AM 862 Views
I like that idea. That is the most sensible solution. *NM* - 12/09/2009 01:07:42 AM 348 Views
This whole thing has been handled disgracefully - 12/09/2009 12:37:35 PM 961 Views
Considering that similar questions have arisen before - 13/09/2009 01:43:18 AM 1023 Views

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