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Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis Send a noteboard - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM
Whether or not you are demonizing homosexuals, the simple fact is that they are being treated differently than all the other sinners. Sure, we're all sinners in the eyes of the Lord, great, but all those other sinners can still be married. If gays aren't super sinners, as you put it, why are they singled out in this regard?


I said that they're singled out because homosexuality has a big "gross" factor, and some Christians react with that instead of a Biblical argument. If someone's going to make a big deal out of homosexuality, they should consider making just as big a deal out of adultery, etc, in general.

You state that you don't support gay marriage without addressing this simple disconnect. And whether or not I agree with his argument that this leads to an implicit sanctioning of their bullying or whatever other mistreatment, that kind of renders the rest of your argument rather academic.


I don't "support" Gay marriage in the same way that I don't "support" live-in lovers. Expecting Christians to endorse or "support" Gay marriage is a pretty big double standard. It's one group of people demanding another to embrace or endorse something that's against their convictions. That's a lot different than asking folks to understand that some people are different from you, and that you shouldn't harass them about it. (claims of right and wrong completely aside)
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Love the Sinner Roland00 - 13/10/2010 04:07:28 PM 1383 Views
I have to think about that for a while. nossy - 13/10/2010 04:30:56 PM 944 Views
Suicide is significantly higher in young gay populations Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:36:01 PM 860 Views
That is not what I think requires thought nossy - 13/10/2010 05:56:06 PM 870 Views
Nossy I ain't a mind reader, no matter how I try or how much I would do Jean Grey Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:06:42 PM 1016 Views
for ze record nossy - 14/10/2010 02:54:07 AM 875 Views
ok now show that it caused by what Christian beliefs *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:50:32 PM 423 Views
I don't think it's the belief's themselves LadyLorraine - 14/10/2010 12:20:01 AM 890 Views
The churches who encourage people to bully gays should be condemned random thoughts - 14/10/2010 06:43:06 PM 897 Views
Re: I have to think about that for a while. Rebekah - 13/10/2010 06:29:09 PM 880 Views
He was very frank but completely founded Fox and Ravens - 13/10/2010 04:34:46 PM 980 Views
Ah, that Ghandi quote sure does get around. (which is funny, since he wasn't a Christian) Zalis - 13/10/2010 05:07:42 PM 975 Views
I'm not sure that is true snoopcester - 13/10/2010 05:16:30 PM 857 Views
When's the last time you heard the quote attributed to anyone else? Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:34:10 PM 833 Views
That many people don't know the correct origin doesn't change it though snoopcester - 13/10/2010 09:31:13 PM 978 Views
I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 05:45:45 PM 945 Views
Question (and this one actually is asking for information )... Legolas - 13/10/2010 06:42:17 PM 764 Views
Yes and no Roland00 - 13/10/2010 06:53:26 PM 1046 Views
Okay, fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:48:21 PM 384 Views
I would think... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:35:31 AM 922 Views
I have seen gays be bullied before random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:02:35 PM 972 Views
You just didn't listen to a thing I said *NM* Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:09:29 PM 403 Views
why do you believe that? Because I don't agree with what you said? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:30:27 PM 882 Views
I said you aren't listening to a thing I said, for you didn't respond to anything that I wrote Roland00 - 13/10/2010 07:52:50 PM 883 Views
you are not interested in talking to anyone who doesn't agree with you random thoughts - 13/10/2010 09:01:03 PM 866 Views
I think there's truth in this as well. Legolas - 13/10/2010 07:55:00 PM 900 Views
churches tend to refelect society as much if not more then they influence it random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:15:35 PM 868 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:30:42 PM 931 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:55:52 PM 944 Views
Re: I think you are missing his point Zalis - 14/10/2010 03:49:14 PM 956 Views
Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Roland00 - 14/10/2010 05:49:22 PM 978 Views
Re: Actually you can very much debate whether homosexuality is a sin on a textual level Zalis - 14/10/2010 08:52:24 PM 997 Views
Do you know greek or hebrew? Roland00 - 14/10/2010 08:57:32 PM 842 Views
I know a few words here and there, but not really. Do you? Zalis - 14/10/2010 10:46:36 PM 976 Views
There's a good case on both sides (try Strong's Concordance, if you haven't, btw. ) Joel - 15/10/2010 05:09:21 AM 1412 Views
I don't look to Christianity for my answers Roland00 - 15/10/2010 03:02:16 PM 942 Views
Re: I don't look to Christianity for my answers Zalis - 15/10/2010 04:27:25 PM 983 Views
You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Rowland - 13/10/2010 05:51:53 PM 1008 Views
so should Christians abandon other religious conviction to stop bullying? random thoughts - 13/10/2010 07:39:54 PM 889 Views
Re: You're kind of sidestepping a large part of his point Zalis - 13/10/2010 08:23:07 PM 914 Views
That seems a little myopic to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:16:27 AM 873 Views
Many good points there; I think I'll let you play Defender of the Faith for a bit. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:50:23 AM 1002 Views
I think he is jackass that does not believe other's can have apoint of view random thoughts - 13/10/2010 06:48:12 PM 876 Views
That's right, bullying would go away if we didn't have Christians to make moral judgements on things ßelals Girl - 13/10/2010 08:11:27 PM 963 Views
I mostly agree ironclad - 13/10/2010 08:19:00 PM 1041 Views
most of the bullies I remember from school were not known for their regular church attendance random thoughts - 14/10/2010 07:24:06 PM 851 Views
I thought I pretty much agreed with you on that point ironclad - 14/10/2010 07:44:07 PM 899 Views
Let me see if I can understand where we agree, it is hard to do with all the Sarcasm Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:48:38 PM 929 Views
Meh. He's not entirely incorrect. But not all Christians are anti-gay. Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 08:43:04 PM 933 Views
It is better to be a Tolkein than a Token Roland00 - 13/10/2010 08:52:09 PM 893 Views
If I were a Tolkien liberal Christian, wouldn't that make me an American Roman Catholic? *NM* Ghavrel - 13/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 357 Views
Interesting scalius - 13/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 1209 Views
Sometime rants do work and change people's mind Roland00 - 13/10/2010 09:23:39 PM 833 Views
and sometoimes they are just rants *NM* random thoughts - 13/10/2010 10:01:55 PM 359 Views
Okay my response now Roland00 - 14/10/2010 06:04:02 PM 933 Views
His first three sentences were totally unecessary. The rest is conspiracy-laden nonsense. everynametaken - 14/10/2010 12:37:06 AM 999 Views
He becomes what he hates. eucatastrophe - 14/10/2010 02:40:19 AM 1090 Views
Good stuff. *NM* Aeryn - 14/10/2010 02:56:44 AM 379 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 03:06:36 AM 939 Views
I think Chora has dibs on that bumper sticker. Joel - 14/10/2010 09:35:02 AM 1020 Views
Re: Gaps - 14/10/2010 11:50:04 PM 1009 Views
It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 15/10/2010 01:16:10 AM 893 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Gaps - 16/10/2010 05:20:56 AM 967 Views
Re: It's nothing at all like cultural relativism. Joel - 16/10/2010 07:16:21 AM 889 Views
I don't think there is any question... damookster - 14/10/2010 04:42:45 AM 902 Views
If I may quibble: Ghavrel - 14/10/2010 05:22:22 AM 766 Views
A lot of Christian doctrine states that people cannot know who is worthy of God and it's not up to Helene - 14/10/2010 05:41:19 AM 897 Views
And a lot of Christians who should know better forget this. Joel - 14/10/2010 10:16:51 AM 960 Views
He's bullying Christians Helene - 14/10/2010 04:47:13 AM 886 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 14/10/2010 04:09:23 PM 965 Views
I think he's reading a lot of things into that letter that aren't there. Joel - 14/10/2010 08:22:13 AM 859 Views
Two seperate things are mingled here Bramhodoulos - 14/10/2010 09:50:42 AM 1102 Views
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